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First day and things aren't looking good. Get out now?
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Sireno



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:30 am    Post subject: First day and things aren't looking good. Get out now? Reply with quote

To give you my background info. I came to Korea with no visa, though I taught two years in the past here. I signed the contract last week, but they have not submitted my documents to immigration yet. I signed up last week and had 4 days of coming to work for several hours (I thought it was pretty ridiculous/stupid and annoying -_- ) unpaid for observation and familiarization. I did the first day of real teaching today and to put it frankly, so far things don't seem very good.

The first day at this hagwon and it's pretty crazy hectic. It was really unorganized and pitiful. There were about 3 new people quickly hired over the weekend to start today also. It's at a franchise chain, but with relatively new change in management and they are trying to change a bunch of stuff apparently.

Otherwise my housing is really smokey as someone must be smoking next to or under me which stinks it up. I asked about that at work and they said they would talk to the landlord ... I know there isn't much they can do.

Here comes my conundrum. I gave them my documents and they have not submitted them to immigration yet. If I want I could get them back and quit. My previous employer said she would sponsor my E2 visa and so I could do part time stuff anywhere. I also have a place to stay for free. Should I get my documents back and try to get a job somewhere else or what do you think? I know I don't have more than one or two days to figure it out. I asked my boss today for my documents as I want to make copies of them, though she seemed suspicious. She must give them to me? Though I did sign a contract with them.

In need of some help, thanks.
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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: First day and things aren't looking good. Get out now? Reply with quote

Sireno wrote:
To give you my background info. I came to Korea with no visa, though I taught two years in the past here. I signed the contract last week, but they have not submitted my documents to immigration yet. I signed up last week and had 4 days of coming to work for several hours (I thought it was pretty ridiculous/stupid and annoying -_- ) unpaid for observation and familiarization. I did the first day of real teaching today and to put it frankly, so far things don't seem very good.

The first day at this hagwon and it's pretty crazy hectic. It was really unorganized and pitiful. There were about 3 new people quickly hired over the weekend to start today also. It's at a franchise chain, but with relatively new change in management and they are trying to change a bunch of stuff apparently.

Otherwise my housing is really smokey as someone must be smoking next to or under me which stinks it up. I asked about that at work and they said they would talk to the landlord ... I know there isn't much they can do.

Here comes my conundrum. I gave them my documents and they have not submitted them to immigration yet. If I want I could get them back and quit. My previous employer said she would sponsor my E2 visa and so I could do part time stuff anywhere. I also have a place to stay for free. Should I get my documents back and try to get a job somewhere else or what do you think? I know I don't have more than one or two days to figure it out. I asked my boss today for my documents as I want to make copies of them, though she seemed suspicious. She must give them to me? Though I did sign a contract with them.

In need of some help, thanks.

A signed contract does not mean anything legally until immigration approves it and of course it won't be approved without your other documents. Get them back if you can. It's better than having to endure a miserable work situation for the next year or having to do a midnight run. Been there done that.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: First day and things aren't looking good. Get out now? Reply with quote

Sireno wrote:
My previous employer said she would sponsor my E2 visa and so I could do part time stuff anywhere.


Your E2 has to be sponsered by your present employer. You will be working illegally and its unlikely that another employer will hire you if your E2 comes from another entity.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: First day and things aren't looking good. Get out now? Reply with quote

Sireno wrote:
I signed up last week and had 4 days of coming to work for several hours (I thought it was pretty ridiculous/stupid and annoying -_- ) unpaid for observation and familiarization.


Unpaid. This is your first clue your boss is scum.
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: First day and things aren't looking good. Get out now? Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Sireno wrote:
I signed up last week and had 4 days of coming to work for several hours (I thought it was pretty ridiculous/stupid and annoying -_- ) unpaid for observation and familiarization.


Unpaid. This is your first clue your boss is scum.


+1

You know how to teach. You will get familiar with the place eventually since you will work there for a year. Total sham. Leave now and save yourself.
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watergirl



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wondering about this as well. I've also taken a new job, where they have not taken me to immigration yet, and, have lied to me about several things. For example, me and my fellow K teacher have to teach 8 classes in four hours for only 25 minutes each. Each class is very large, at about 15 students on average (so I think hw checking will take about 10 mins for each class), the school was much further than told, and my K teacher who really organizes everything (its an after school) is seriously quite bad, disorganized and really seems to be a bit clueless. She has only ordered a reader for 1 class, for example, for the next three months. Despite my helping her with a lot of the paperwork, has been unable to typ up a class list, never mind even bringing any markers etc (which I'm doing). The company, it seems, does nothing for it's teachers and does not even have money I think for basic supplies. I think only people doing after school programs would understand the situation.
I have done two contracts here fully but really, don't know what to do either. I am considering just ofering the company to a)work for the next 2 weeks until they find someone or b) telling them i will only sign a 3 month contract at immigration.
Trouble is it is an afterschool program where the principal is the only one who can sign the contract for immigration (which hasn't been done yet) and I think the company will be worried about looking badly to the school.
I would never 'take-off' but I'm worried about them signing my e2 actually, because the cos now can decide not to give u a LOR and then u can't work.
Maybe it will sort itself out, but

But really, the co is a bit of a disastor.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

watergirl wrote:
I'm wondering about this as well. I've also taken a new job, where they have not taken me to immigration yet, and, have lied to me about several things. For example, me and my fellow K teacher have to teach 8 classes in four hours for only 25 minutes each. Each class is very large, at about 15 students on average (so I think hw checking will take about 10 mins for each class), the school was much further than told, and my K teacher who really organizes everything (its an after school) is seriously quite bad, disorganized and really seems to be a bit clueless. She has only ordered a reader for 1 class, for example, for the next three months. Despite my helping her with a lot of the paperwork, has been unable to typ up a class list, never mind even bringing any markers etc (which I'm doing). The company, it seems, does nothing for it's teachers and does not even have money I think for basic supplies. I think only people doing after school programs would understand the situation.
I have done two contracts here fully but really, don't know what to do either. I am considering just ofering the company to a)work for the next 2 weeks until they find someone or b) telling them i will only sign a 3 month contract at immigration.
Trouble is it is an afterschool program where the principal is the only one who can sign the contract for immigration (which hasn't been done yet) and I think the company will be worried about looking badly to the school.
I would never 'take-off' but I'm worried about them signing my e2 actually, because the cos now can decide not to give u a LOR and then u can't work.
Maybe it will sort itself out, but

But really, the co is a bit of a disastor.

Well I work at an after school too, and if you have 8 classes of an average of 15 kids in each class, that's a whopping 120 kids and more than twice as many students as I have currently. Don't be deceived, your boss has money with that many kids--more than enough, and he should supply you with marker, pens, erasers and paper. These are all business expenses that is up to your employer to provide. Get on him for that.
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Sireno



Joined: 19 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update

I decided on March 11th and told my boss I would be quitting. I started working on March 4th officially. I agreed to stay a few weeks until they can get a replacement. I am concerned they might not pay me for this ~ month of work that I am doing. Then on the 15th I asked for an advancement of a weeks worth of pay (since I had at that time already worked 2 weeks). The director refused and said I would be paid the normal time next month on the 10th. I have no reason to trust her, though I somewhat believe my manager who assured me I would be paid.

From a legal standpoint I have been working illegally thus far I believe. Yes/No?? I am on a tourist visa and had plans to do a Japan visa run. If my boss decides not to pay me for the month of work, is there anything I can do? Must I just trust them?
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you're working illegally. No, you won't get paid. Recourse? Don't make me laugh. You're screwed from the get-go.

Who paid for your trip to Korea? If it was the school, then they knowingly and intentionally broke the law. Now that you've told them you're quitting, don't be surprised when, on your last day there, you're told that you now owe them money for that flight, not to mention "cost of training you, cost of hiring a replacement for you, cost related to housing, etc."

Your biggest mistake was telling the boss when you plan to leave.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be tempted to take something in lieu of pay (a computer or something carryable but expensive). Since they've hired you illegally, they are more likely to pay to get their stuff back rather than call the police. I don't know if this is a good idea or not (maybe I should write a legal disclaimer absolving me of any consequences?), but I'd be tempted to do it.
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salutbonjour



Joined: 22 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are on a tourist visa and teaching illegally, you have zero recourse to get your money. You should not have agreed to further illegal work. Just be happy with the flight money and look for another job.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful, OP.
http://monkeysandmountains.com/getting-deported
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
I would be tempted to take something in lieu of pay (a computer or something carryable but expensive). Since they've hired you illegally, they are more likely to pay to get their stuff back rather than call the police. I don't know if this is a good idea or not (maybe I should write a legal disclaimer absolving me of any consequences?), but I'd be tempted to do it.


Do that and you'll be getting deported much later than you expect.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Be careful, OP.
http://monkeysandmountains.com/getting-deported


That bint is a complete and utter moron. She apparently still believes her crooked boss "has friends in Immigration." First off, that's never true. Second, even if it were true (which it never, ever is), that'd only be a temporary thing because the Immigration officers are required to transfer every couple of years. The boss was just trying to bang her before she got deported.

Now onto her comments about the Canadian embassy. She's still an idiot. Before she left Canada, she should've learned what her government can and cannot do on her behalf if she encounters legal problems overseas. The embassy is not and cannot by law be her lawyer or her guardian angel. Break the law overseas, deal with it like a big boy or a big girl. The embassy can and does provide their citizens with a list of attorneys who can speak English. They do not, though, recommend any of them as such a recommendation is illegal. For your reading pleasure, actual information on what the Embassy can and cannot do.

She must've never paid attention to a newspaper, TV news show, radio news show, TV cop show, or movie her entire life if she can't grasp why she had to return to Daegu Immigration. It's called jurisdiction or area of responsibility. Incheon Immigration was simply not responsible for case. That honor fell to, you guessed it, Daegu Immigration.

Next, I don't for a moment believe the Immigration officer in Daegu suggested that she sleep with the boss. If anything, he might've suggested that she sleep with him instead of her boss. But, of course, that's something he couldn't cover up because, after all, she was "in the system" and in the end she'd still be deported.

Finally, she never heard of a lost or damaged passport? Once she returned to Canada, all she had to do was mutilate or "lose" the passport and then get another one. Poof! What do you know? The deported stamp is magically gone.

Lesson learned: If you're a moron, stay home.
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Los Angeloser



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

salutbonjour wrote:
If you are on a tourist visa and teaching illegally, you have zero recourse to get your money. You should not have agreed to further illegal work. Just be happy with the flight money and look for another job.


That is NOT true. The labor office will accept your complaint if you aren't paid and they won't call immigration to have you deported.
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