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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| what would you propose? |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Ban schools. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Another shooting in America |
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| shaunew wrote: |
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20080214%2fillinois_campus_080214
More young people gunned down at the prime of their lives, while building their human capital ends so fast. I hope one of the new presidents soon to be elected does something about the gun laws. |
Unfortunately, the 5th amendment entitles people to have guns. I am not sure what they could do to stop people from doing this. Other people might say that if more people could carry guns, then I could whip out a gun and take out the gunman. Suppose you were on campus and this guy was shooting, and you have a glock. You could take it out and shoot the guy in the leg. I would shoot him in the leg or somewhere to where I could have him down, so he could get arrested and spend the rest of his life behind bars. I am all for gun control, and I don't see why people need pistols. Since a constitutional amendment is impossible. They should have more security at universities. There should be a gun accessible to people in authority since America has so many guys, and you can't turn America into France or Germany where people don't carry guns. I feel sorry for the people who lost their loved ones in Louisiana and now in Illinois. I am sorry this person was desperate to kill himself and others. |
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declan
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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Nothing..
Lets just wait for the next attack and chuckle to ourselves again and say oh this is terrible..lets do something and then nothing happens.....and the cycle is repeated..
It is a big problem in the US..Doesn't seem to happen anywhere else. Not great times for the United States id say!!
The shooting was the fourth within a week in the United States. WTF? |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| It'll give gun-toters another chance to say "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Hmmm, just strange that, in a nation with so many guns, so many people are being killed. Ah, well, this is THE LAND OF THE FREE, and ain't nobody messing with my Constitutional right to inflict ungodly amounts of terror and pain. And to go deer hunting. |
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Night Ranger
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
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| wish I could own a few guns here...just walk down the street popping ajosshis and high school kids.....good times. |
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mehamrick
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Another shooting in America |
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http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20080214%2fillinois_campus_080214
More young people gunned down at the prime of their lives, while building their human capital ends so fast. I hope one of the new presidents soon to be elected does something about the gun laws. |
Unfortunately, the 5th amendment entitles people to have guns. I am not sure what they could do to stop people from doing this. Other people might say that if more people could carry guns, then I could whip out a gun and take out the gunman. Suppose you were on campus and this guy was shooting, and you have a glock. You could take it out and shoot the guy in the leg. I would shoot him in the leg or somewhere to where I could have him down, so he could get arrested and spend the rest of his life behind bars. I am all for gun control, and I don't see why people need pistols. Since a constitutional amendment is impossible. They should have more security at universities. There should be a gun accessible to people in authority since America has so many guys, and you can't turn America into France or Germany where people don't carry guns. I feel sorry for the people who lost their loved ones in Louisiana and now in Illinois. I am sorry this person was desperate to kill himself and others. |
Correct me if i am wrong.. but isnt the 2nd amendment the right to bear arms and the 5th being that to not self incriminate yourself..  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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A gunmen that shoots up a school that's NOT a Korean. This would come as a shock to many people.
Maybe the same people that blamed Jo Seung Hee on Korea should do the same with this gunmen. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Another shooting in America |
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| shaunew wrote: |
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20080214%2fillinois_campus_080214
More young people gunned down at the prime of their lives, while building their human capital ends so fast. I hope one of the new presidents soon to be elected does something about the gun laws. |
Unfortunately, the 5th amendment entitles people to have guns. I am not sure what they could do to stop people from doing this. Other people might say that if more people could carry guns, then I could whip out a gun and take out the gunman. Suppose you were on campus and this guy was shooting, and you have a glock. You could take it out and shoot the guy in the leg. I would shoot him in the leg or somewhere to where I could have him down, so he could get arrested and spend the rest of his life behind bars. I am all for gun control, and I don't see why people need pistols. Since a constitutional amendment is impossible. They should have more security at universities. There should be a gun accessible to people in authority since America has so many guys, and you can't turn America into France or Germany where people don't carry guns. I feel sorry for the people who lost their loved ones in Louisiana and now in Illinois. I am sorry this person was desperate to kill himself and others. |
Correct me if i am wrong.. but isnt the 2nd amendment the right to bear arms and the 5th being that to not self incriminate yourself.. |
I can't correct you, because you're right. The 5th amendment is when you refuse to say things that will incriminate, and you can plead the fifth. The 2nd amendment deals with the right to bare arms which has much to do with fighting the British in the old days and to fight against tyranny, but I think there is a problem with angry and crazy people taking their problems on people and shooting them. Back in the day, if you were pissed off, you punched someone which was bad enough, but now people are so detached from societal morality concepts, that they now need to kill you and themselves... |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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anyone else think, maybe, just maybe that all thses shoot ups are but a manifestation of a deeper problem? are there any institutions actually studying these guys who do these massacres?how many are already on depression meds?
it may be crazy, but maybe these guys weren't happy long before they went postal. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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the dakota kid
Joined: 20 Jul 2004
Location: Not in Seoul...
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I usually avoid these political pissing matches, but I just have to comment.
The second amendment, not the fifth, deals with the right to keep and bear arms. Furthermore, it states that this right will not be infringed. I will never expect anyone from outside the US or Great Plains to understand this concept. We have lost our familiarity with firearms and the profound respect that they deserve. Generations ago, many people relied upon them for protection, food procurement and defense against tyranny. For some states, this was 200 years ago. For the Great Plains/Midwest, it was today and will be tomorrow.
My home state has one of the highest percentages of firearm ownership per citizen in the Union, "shall issue" carry permits and common sense based hunting laws. Despite all of this (or possibly because of it), we have the lowest crime rate in the nation. We were educated in firearm safety in school. In terms of education, we were instructed in the safe handling and usage of firearms in our local high school. Believe it or not, I brought a shotgun to class for demonstration. This was not 1925, but rather 1987. You could opt out of the handling portion, but you still had to pass the safety exam.
Ok, I am done now. I am quite sure that there will be changes in November when the election is over. I would suggest that the individual states should decide what their course of action should be, but that would lead to a virulent Federalist vs Anti-Federalist debate...
FWIW,
tdk
EDIT: It is possible to own firearms in Germany. You need to belong to a shooting club, prove your proficiency and register them with the police. How many illegal firearms are there in Germany? Good question...
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Another shooting in America |
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http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20080214%2fillinois_campus_080214
More young people gunned down at the prime of their lives, while building their human capital ends so fast. I hope one of the new presidents soon to be elected does something about the gun laws. |
Suppose you were on campus and this guy was shooting, and you have a glock. You could take it out and shoot the guy in the leg. I would shoot him in the leg or somewhere to where I could have him down, so he could get arrested and spend the rest of his life behind bars. |
That's a nice little fantasy you have there. Shoot a crazy gunman in the leg and you'll be taking a dirt nap faster than you can say Al Zarqawi.
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Another shooting in America |
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| Unfortunately, the 5th amendment entitles people to have guns. I am not sure what they could do to stop people from doing this. Other people might say that if more people could carry guns, then I could whip out a gun and take out the gunman. Suppose you were on campus and this guy was shooting, and you have a glock. You could take it out and shoot the guy in the leg. I would shoot him in the leg or somewhere to where I could have him down, so he could get arrested and spend the rest of his life behind bars. I am all for gun control, and I don't see why people need pistols. Since a constitutional amendment is impossible. They should have more security at universities. There should be a gun accessible to people in authority since America has so many guys, and you can't turn America into France or Germany where people don't carry guns. I feel sorry for the people who lost their loved ones in Louisiana and now in Illinois. I am sorry this person was desperate to kill himself and others. |
An armed citizenry is a SAFE and PROTECTED citizenry. Or is it?
The scene: A room full of maybe 100 or 200 people. Maybe a shopping mall. Maybe a factory floor. Maybe a banquet. Not everyone is paying attention to the same thing. Suddenly, shots ring out. People look around in initial disbelief, not sure of what's going on. Nervous glances, a few screams, an impending panic:
A Shooter is on the loose.
Adventurer, being the quickest-thinker and surest of foot in the bunch, immediately assesses the situation, whips out his pistol, and returns fire. All is well and good.
Except for the dozen or so other armed citizens not so swift of thought, who come to same scene precious seconds later, and only see Adventurer shooting, apparently into a crowd. More guns are drawn. More shots ring out. Now, chaos reigns, as nobody knows who is friend or foe. It's every man for himself. Kill, or be killed.
Thankfully, this scene hasn't played out yet. But give it time.
Sorry, Adventurer, but that argument comes up every time there's an incident like this, but I just don't buy it. I do agree with you, a constitutional amendment and stricter gun control are the only real solutions, but it will never happen.
And incidents like this will happen again, and again. |
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