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3DR



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Replacing us with Korean teachers will be a disaster Reply with quote

So this year, I was renewing, but they were going to move me to an elementary school because of the phase out of native teachers in middle and high schools (I'm in middle).

However, my VP and principal wanted me for another year, so they talked to the education office and got me to stay one more year.

Now, they still brought in two Korean English Conversation class teachers who I assumed were going to replace me if I left.

It is a disaster. It's not even their fault. They had no training (like we did), the classes don't seem to respect them, the principal expects them to speak in complete English even though the kids KNOW they are Korean and can understand them, and they have basically been thrown into the sharks. They seem completely overwhelemed

I was talking to one of them after the principal had a meeting, and she said it's been difficult because there is just no possible way for her to explain some things because she doesn't have the native level ability like we do. She definitely thinks we are better suited for the job and they are basically replacing us to save money.

If they are going to go this route after kicking us out, they need to at least provide some training, support, and what to do for them because it won't go well otherwise. Thoughts?
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't care if it works or not.
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Times30



Joined: 27 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the sake of the students, I hope the government goes beyond theory and figures out a tangible way to teach English that can not only preserve the jobs of the foreigner language instructors but also create some for Korean instructors as well.

Right now it's turned into a Lose/Lose/Lose situation for all parties.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think it would be a great shame. Not only from the perspective of teaching languages but for the life lessons we can teach them. We have a great deal of collective experience to draw from. I think (although i can only speak from personal experience here), our discipline methods would be missed as well as our encouragement and personal interest in students welfare.
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Drew345



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The students are going to get really good at passing grammar and vocabulary tests. That seems to be what the department of education wants if they are pushing for Korean teachers for English.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Replacing us with Korean teachers will be a disaster Reply with quote

3DR wrote:
the principal expects them to speak in complete English even though the kids KNOW they are Korean


Thats policy is probably just limited to your school.

Most Korean English teachers at hakwons are allowed to use korean as they teach english.

So do language teachers in just about every country on earth. When I was at school, my French teacher taught us in English.

Immersion has its limitations.
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tophatcat



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
They don't care if it works or not.


Bingo! They're just shaking the bag in an attempt to seem busy. Another working on the situation, while looking into a better situation with the possibility of changing the situation. Politics!
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Replacing us with Korean teachers will be a disaster Reply with quote

3DR wrote:

If they are going to go this route after kicking us out, they need to at least provide some training, support, and what to do for them because it won't go well otherwise. Thoughts?


Even training and support isn't enough. Here's a fact: there aren't enough competent English speakers in Korea, who are willing to be English teachers, to teach English. There just aren't. My wife is a conversational Korean teacher, and when I look at her prepared materials -- not even her spontaneously English, which also has a ton of grammatical problems, but her carefully prepared materials -- I see mistakes. Konglish abounds. And she's reasonably good at English by Korean standards!

I've been here about 5 years now, and in those 5 years, I've seen a lot of progress among the students in terms of English competency, but that hasn't filtered up sufficiently to the adults yet to make the leap to Korean-led English education. Sure, there are some individual Koreans who could do the job excellently, but no where near enough. Turning away from native teachers now, or even in the next few years, will have negative long-term consequences, which is a shame given how much they've already invested in national English competency. If they just stay the course a while longer, resist pressure to replace native speakers with inferior Korean teachers, and utilize their native speakers more effectively (grouping students by competency level instead of by class, for instance, and getting more English teachers trained up in the Korean language, which has plenty of classroom utility*), they could make real progress and then transition to Korean-led classes when the next generation comes of age. But they're too impatient, so they'll make the leap, get the cycle of konglish-reinforcing-konglish started again, and that will be that.

I know a lot of people here are cynical about their jobs, but I'm not: I do a good job, my students (who are largely disadvantaged students, way up here at a small school in the mountains) make visible progress, and I want to see both them and the rest of Korea's students succeed with regards to English acquisition. It's an important skill that opens up a lot of vistas. It bothers me that faulty administration is likely to sabotage what could otherwise be a great thing for a lot of kids.

*In fact, the sole complaint I have about my school is that they don't want me speaking Korean to the students, even outside the classroom, because some mothers said something about it. Of course speaking English is better when it's viable, but when it comes to disciplinary or non-pedagogical matters, especially with young kids, it's silly. When I have to tell a first grade boy, "Oh, you need to leave leave after school class early today because your hagwon bus will be a bit earlier than usual," there is no way to communicate that to him in English. Even so, a passive understanding of what they say to me or one another in Korean is still valuable.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Times30 wrote:
For the sake of the students, I hope the government goes beyond theory and figures out a tangible way to teach English that can not only preserve the jobs of the foreigner language instructors but also create some for Korean instructors as well.

Right now it's turned into a Lose/Lose/Lose situation for all parties.



But that goes against stated educational policy. I've worked for both GEPIK and EPIK. At the original orientations I attended the POE supervisor stated that the main goal was for Korean teachers to learn enough English so that they didn't need NETs. We were only ever intended to be a short-term fix. P.S positions are not intended to be a permanent job for us.


That said I think there's still another 10-15 years down the road until that comes about...longer if they keep inventing these adjustments to said policy.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox,

Nice post. I age wholeheartedly and I am impressed at your efforts to help disadvantaged students in a rural location.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just like with foriegn engineers and scientists, we bring a certain level of creativity to the field because our educational experiences aren't simply about passing the test. I've met many straight "A" students in the west who lacked creativity but a many "B" and "C" students who had creativity and energy. So, take it as you may. But, we bring a certain something energetic to the field and we can also function outside the Korean Confucian Hiararchy that lets us connect with the kids differently. There are many advantages to having us here that aren't always evident on paper. If Korea is to become an exporting nation and a tourist destination, knowing English and being aware of other cultures is a good thing.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

somewhat relevant to this thread; my korean gf this week was asked by her hogwan director to pose as a gyopo teacher. she is not allowed to speak korean at all in case the students report to their parents. this includes to her co-t's. she has to lie about where shes from and if she needs to speak korean to anyone, they have to hide in the toilet. her english is good, but its racked with grammar problems and she has a very strong accent. her native co- teacher apparently supports this as he thinks its what we should all be aspiring too.

its started...


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cheezsteakwit



Joined: 12 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
Ranman wrote:
Drew345 wrote:
The students are going to get really good at passing grammar and vocabulary tests. That seems to be what the department of education wants if they are pushing for Korean teachers for English.


And memorizing scripts. God damn those scripts.


Keep God's Name out of this. It is not a swear word.


OMFG !!!!

In regards to the post , I have 2 new co-teachers fresh outta college and their English is fine, BUT just last week , the one teacher asked me the words for 'backpacking' & 'astronomy' & the other one forgot the word she wanted to ask me about & she looked embarassed in front of the class, so I felt bad for her.

There are just little nuances in the language that a native speaker 'brings to the table' that a Korean teacher isn't able to offer.
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3DR



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great. So now because the teachers are struggling, they are going to have me teach grammar, and they will teach listening and speaking. Seems legit.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
Ranman wrote:
Drew345 wrote:
The students are going to get really good at passing grammar and vocabulary tests. That seems to be what the department of education wants if they are pushing for Korean teachers for English.


And memorizing scripts. God damn those scripts.


Keep God's Name out of this. It is not a swear word.


Quite right...it's a joke.
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