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ajosshi



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: U.S. flying nuclear-capable B-52 bombers over SK Reply with quote

U.S. flying nuclear-capable B-52 bombers on training missions over SK

WASHINGTON (AP) � The United States is flying nuclear-capable B-52 bombers on training missions over South Korea to highlight Washington's commitment to defend an ally amid rising tensions with North Korea, Pentagon officials said Monday.

Pentagon press secretary George Little said one B-52 flew over South Korea on March 8, and the deputy defense secretary, Ashton Carter, said during a visit to Seoul that another bomber mission is scheduled for Tuesday.

B-52 bombers are capable of launching nuclear-armed cruise missiles, but Little said those participating in the Korean exercise are not armed with nuclear weapons.

The use of Air Force warplanes as part of an annual U.S.-South Korean military exercise called Foal Eagle is not unusual. But the Pentagon used the occasion to draw attention to the role B-52 bombers play as part of an American nuclear "umbrella" over South Korea and Japan � both of which feel threatened by North Korea's development of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

"We're deeply concerned about North Koreans behavior and rhetoric," Little told reporters.

In a more dramatic demonstration of that concern, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Friday announced that the U.S. is beefing up its defenses against a potential North Korean missile attack on the U.S. He said that over the coming four years the Pentagon will add 14 missile interceptors to the 26 it already has in place at Fort Greely, Alaska, at an estimated cost of $1 billion.

Hagel cited three recent developments in North Korea that prompted the Obama administration to act, including a nuclear test in February deemed reckless by Washington and condemned by the United Nations Security Council.

Hagel also cited Pyongyang's launch in December of a rocket that put a satellite into space and demonstrated mastery of some of the technologies needed to produce a long-range nuclear missile. And he noted that last April the North Koreans put on public display a road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile, the KN-08. Navy Adm. James Winnefeld Jr., vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that missile is believed to be capable of reaching U.S. territory.

Although not mentioned by Hagel, the North Koreas raised tensions further by threatening last Thursday to pre-emptively attack the U.S. Among its recent declarations, North Korea has said it will no longer recognize the armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War, though it has made such remarks before.

Carter said in Seoul on Monday that he discussed with South Korean officials the North's "continued pattern of provocative actions" and offered assurances that the budget crisis in Washington will not weaken the U.S. military commitment to South Korea.

North Korea routinely condemns U.S. and South Korean military exercises as provocations and unwarranted preparations for war.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2013/03/18/pentagon-highlighting-bomber-missions-in-korea
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rollo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sabre rattling to make South korea and Japan feel better. Nothing new. Just reminding Beijing who is the boss.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. flying nuclear-capable B-52 bombers over SK Reply with quote

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WASHINGTON (AP) � The United States is flying nuclear-capable B-52 bombers on training missions over South Korea to highlight Washington's commitment to defend an ally amid rising tensions with North Korea, Pentagon officials said Monday.


Good. It makes me feel a bit safer.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally unnecessary.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do realize this article means absolutely nothing.

Do you have any idea how many "nuclear capable" systems there are out there? Pretty much any aircraft in the U.S., or for that matter S.Korean, arsenal is "nuclear capable". Heck a 747 is "nuclear capable" in that you could throw Little Boy out of the cargo hatch and nuke whatever is below. I can't think of a single U.S. combat aircraft (Fighter/Bomber/Ground Attack) now in service that wouldn't be capable of carrying out a nuclear strike.

B-52s have been in the US arsenal for over 50 years. There is hardly a country on Earth that they haven't flown a mission over. Really? A B-52 flying a training mission over S.Korea is rare? Is newsworthy? Really?

The US and SK both possess "nuclear capable" artillery, and air/land/sea launched cruise missiles. Of course in SK's case, they lack the warheads.

This is what I constantly rant about on Dave's when it comes to Dave's. The fear-mongering from people utterly clueless as to what they are talking about.

And this article is just fear-mongering and hyperbole.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still the most powerful conventional weapon sytem on earth. they can carry three flat bed rail cars of bombs.

i saw nothing 'fear mongering" about the article. it even stated that this was nothing unusual.

Sk planes might be able to deliver a small nuke but since they don't have a small nuke no use mentioning it.

The U.S. in fact can deliver a nuclear artillery shell.

Just another day a the office. they are just pointing out the the new bridges the Chinese have built to send military equipment into North korea can be wiped out in seconds.

Also lets the koreans and the Japanese know they are safe.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Still the most powerful conventional weapon sytem on earth. they can carry three flat bed rail cars of bombs.


Meh, the trend is towards precision, not sheer tonnage.

I mean, the things aren't exactly the pinnacle of US technology. They just look big and bad. Kinda like sending over the Battleship Missouri.

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they are just pointing out the the new bridges the Chinese have built to send military equipment into North korea can be wiped out in seconds.


Actually I've heard the Norks are less than thrilled about those new bridges. Both in that they provide a way for their people to stream out and for the PLA to stream in, and in this day and age, the Norks feel that if the PLA is streaming in, its not to their benefit. Odds are the PLA would be more likely to target the regime than the Capitalist Pig Dogs to the South.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
You do realize this article means absolutely nothing.
...
And this article is just fear-mongering and hyperbole.

Well, it does say that the Korean war 'ended' in an armistice. So that's a nice change from the usual.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct about the norks not likeing the new bridges. they also do not like the huge number of Chinese troops on their border. but i think what really really upsets everyone that P.L.A maps shows Korea as Chinese territory.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
You do realize this article means absolutely nothing.

Do you have any idea how many "nuclear capable" systems there are out there? Pretty much any aircraft in the U.S., or for that matter S.Korean, arsenal is "nuclear capable". Heck a 747 is "nuclear capable" in that you could throw Little Boy out of the cargo hatch and nuke whatever is below. I can't think of a single U.S. combat aircraft (Fighter/Bomber/Ground Attack) now in service that wouldn't be capable of carrying out a nuclear strike.

B-52s have been in the US arsenal for over 50 years. There is hardly a country on Earth that they haven't flown a mission over. Really? A B-52 flying a training mission over S.Korea is rare? Is newsworthy? Really?

The US and SK both possess "nuclear capable" artillery, and air/land/sea launched cruise missiles. Of course in SK's case, they lack the warheads.

This is what I constantly rant about on Dave's when it comes to Dave's. The fear-mongering from people utterly clueless as to what they are talking about.

And this article is just fear-mongering and hyperbole.


The above rambling means absolutely nothing. It is a good example of hyperbole.

Using the same logic, it can be said that every kid in China is "capable" of teaching English in Korea. They just need to move to one of the seven countries before the 7th grade, then do the rest of the requirements.

When the article says "nuclear capable," it means this second, not that it can be modified to be nuclear capable while it's flying around or in the future.

And how many readers actually believe that nukes are not present on B-52s flying over Korea?

Straw man arguments by people that like to hear themselves talk will not help Dave's.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DP

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajosshi wrote:
When the article says "nuclear capable," it means this second, not that it can be modified to be nuclear capable while it's flying around or in the future.

And how many readers actually believe that nukes are not present on B-52s flying over Korea?

Straw man arguments by people that like to hear themselves talk will not help Dave's.


Nukes in American aircraft? What year is it, 1952?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajosshi wrote:

When the article says "nuclear capable," it means this second, not that it can be modified to be nuclear capable while it's flying around or in the future.

And how many readers actually believe that nukes are not present on B-52s flying over Korea?

Straw man arguments by people that like to hear themselves talk will not help Dave's.


No, it doesn't mean this second. Nuclear capable in military terminology means that the system in question is capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to a target.

The B-52 is nuclear capable because it can deliver a nuclear-armed cruise missile. Pretty much any combat aircraft in the U.S. arsenal can deliver nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, such as the AGM-84.

Virtually every combat aircraft in the U.S. arsenal is "nuclear capable and WITHOUT modification. It is the warhead that makes something nuclear capable.

Just like an M-109 Paladin is nuclear capable. It doesn't need modifications to fire nuclear ordinance instead of conventional explosives. You just need to lead different shells. A Ticonderog-class cruiser or Arleigh Burke-class destroyer or Los-Angeles class submarine is 'nuclear capable' because they can deliver Tomahawk cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads. There is probably an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer taking part in these exercises and fairly close to the sealine. Why not the fear mongering over that?

As for B-52s carrying nukes, it is HIGHLY unlikely that they are carrying them during training exercises as the loss of one during an accident would necessitate a costly recovery operation and could trigger a diplomatic crisis. This isn't the Cold War and aircraft aren't just flying around with nuclear warheads for fun and games.

Your OP was the hyperbole. The proper title is "Routine flight as part of military exercises."

Sir, you just don't know what you are talking about. Educate yourself first, then blast

CORRECTION: The AGM-84 is not a full-fledged cruise missile. It is a stand-off weapon. Not quite a cruise missile, but still capable of delivering a nuclear warhead. If not a nuclear tipped Harpoon, then a free-fall nuclear bomb. Regardless, pretty much any aircraft in the US combat arsenal is "nuclear capable".


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course it was a routine flight and no it was not arrmed with a nuclear device. They would not take the chance of a mishap in a war zone, where anything could happen.
But it still was a message.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the USA have nukes on those aircraft. That way they can crash on over the DMZ 'by mistake' and give the Norks the missiles. That way when the North Koreans nuke Seoul, America will have a brilliant excuse to go over and kick butt.

I'd like to tell you more, but I hear the sound of approaching helicoters...
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