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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:44 am Post subject: What are my options? |
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Okay, so here's the situation....
I am working at a job that I love, but at the same time I am loathing the amount of work required of myself and others.
Pros:
-Has a very strong curriculum.
-Love the staff, the management team, my students.
-Pay is fine.
-I have a lot of leeway in my classroom.
-The school is great, I feel that kids are learning and they're doing enjoyable things.
-The school cares about the students and the staff(to an extent).
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-The working hours. As it stands, we work 9-6 and are not compensated for the extra five hours during the week spent on prep.
-The amount of work really exceeds the amount of time given for us to complete it. I've found myself going in on my Sundays just to get work done.
-The amount of teaching hours are way too high. I'm currently teaching 31+ hours a week, plus I'm responsible for 10 hours of prep. Currently, I am given around nine hours to prepare for my classes. This means teachers are often spending their own time after work.
-During our lunches, we are forced to eat with our children. I honestly don't mind it too much, but it is quite exhausting. Not only that, but it is not even a reasonable amount of time for a lunch. On days when I teach basically from 9:00-5:30, I'm only given a 40 minute lunch.
I'm not too sure what to do. I'm stressed each day and the workload is not getting any easier. I've been here a few months, but I can't see myself suddenly getting any happier with the workload I am given.
If you're going to troll, please make another thread and I will troll with you there. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:54 am Post subject: |
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For me neither.
My advice to you is that you are the only one who knows what's best for you instead of asking total strangers who you know are going to be trolling. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Is this a hagwon? Why prep? Pick up the book before you walk in and away you go.
If there is something physical (i.e. worksheets, quizes, etc.) that the students are supposed to take home or something, when asked why they do not have these, inform your school you didn't have enough time to get it done. Refuse to go into work outside your scheduled time. I can't imagine them firing someone over this. Not worth it for something so trivial, especially if they are in the wrong.
If I am off-base, more info is needed. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| War Eagle wrote: |
Is this a hagwon? Why prep? Pick up the book before you walk in and away you go.
If there is something physical (i.e. worksheets, quizes, etc.) that the students are supposed to take home or something, when asked why they do not have these, inform your school you didn't have enough time to get it done. Refuse to go into work outside your scheduled time. I can't imagine them firing someone over this. Not worth it for something so trivial, especially if they are in the wrong.
If I am off-base, more info is needed. |
Yeah, it is.
We have to make folders, printouts, correct papers, anything you can imagine. If I don't do my prep/grading, it basically means I'm not doing my job. However, I feel like I'm not given the proper time to do so. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickBateman wrote: |
| War Eagle wrote: |
Is this a hagwon? Why prep? Pick up the book before you walk in and away you go.
If there is something physical (i.e. worksheets, quizes, etc.) that the students are supposed to take home or something, when asked why they do not have these, inform your school you didn't have enough time to get it done. Refuse to go into work outside your scheduled time. I can't imagine them firing someone over this. Not worth it for something so trivial, especially if they are in the wrong.
If I am off-base, more info is needed. |
Yeah, it is.
We have to make folders, printouts, correct papers, anything you can imagine. If I don't do my prep/grading, it basically means I'm not doing my job. However, I feel like I'm not given the proper time to do so. |
Well, that's what I would do. I would refuse to work outside my normal working hours, except on rare occasions, as would be expected in any job, but certainly not everyday/week.
They are treating you guys like Koreans (who are "required" to work late if they want to keep their jobs in just about any industry in Korea), so for them it may be normal. They may not know better. However, that's a stretch.
And the more you give, certainly the more they will take. At least this has been my experience. You have to make a stand at some point, but make sure it's done politely. |
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HighHopes
Joined: 05 Apr 2013
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:01 am Post subject: |
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This is your first time through the cycle. When I first came I would spend an hour preparing for an hour class. Tomorrow I have 7 classes and pretty much wont prepare anything at all, I've done it so many times before. Now I'm not talking about teaching at a university, but any other level, beginner or advance, children or adults, it will become so straight forward.
Keep everything, lesson plans and student reviews, then re-use them. Look for stuff left in the printer, join a meetup group and get ideas from other teachers.
Do like George and look busy at your desk and everyone will leave you alone. At one school I was always the first one in, would open up three books on my desk, held papers in my hand and just did sudoku. Anyone who walked by said I'm always early and working.
As for eatting with the kids, been there done that. Do they still make you pay for lunch?? |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:49 am Post subject: |
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As for eatting with the kids, been there done that. Do they still make you pay for lunch?? |
Yeah.
I was also extra frustrated when I recently found out this was a selling point to the parents. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickBateman wrote: |
| HighHopes wrote: |
As for eatting with the kids, been there done that. Do they still make you pay for lunch?? |
Yeah.
I was also extra frustrated when I recently found out this was a selling point to the parents. |
I would bet money that would not be considered a legitimate break acording to labor laws, which require workers be given a certain number of hours break per hours worked. I don't know exactly what that is, but I am sure someone could chime in.
As you can see, I am one who expects what has been promised to me and no less. It sounds like you have a good attitude, or ok attitude, about the whole thing (much more than I would) to the point you are kinda letting them walk all over you. Again, something that is done regularly with Korean employees, who generally don't complain for fear of being fired.
I would politely tell them these things:
1. I have worked very hard for you in the past
2. I have consistently stayed late/come in on weekends to finish my work because I have too much of it
3. I have done a good job
4. I am exhausted and cannot continue like this
5. I will not be coming in outside of work hours any longer (make up reason why if you want)
If they are willing to talk, then negotiate. If they get defensive, push back, or start to lose their cool, then I'd bring up the Korean labor laws. Again, all done politely. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:17 am Post subject: |
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You could ask for a raise.
You should know however that for the most part no teacher is paid for prep work and certainly not for grading outside of work hours.... |
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