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Which answer is "incorrect"?
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Which answer is "incorrect"? Reply with quote

A teacher friend has a student that was given this question. They have to find the incorrect answer.

Can you tell me _______________________?

1. why you are so busy
2. where the post office is
3. what your favorite subject is
4. which is the largest city in Korea
5. how many girls there are in your class


I've ruled out #s 1 and 5 automatically. 2 and 3 end in is which may or may not be a slight grammatical matter. #4 could be 'what' instead of 'which'.

Any ideas? And yes, there are some very poorly written exam questions in this country.

Thanks in advance.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe its could you instead of can you?
mulah yeo...
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littlelisa



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for 4. "Which" does sound awkward a little there, though it would depend on the context. For example, it could be correct in a situation like, "from this list of 5 cities, can you tell me which is the largest city in Korea?" But normally we're not choosing like that and what would sound better.

I'd still pick 4, though.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're all correct.
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Old fat expat



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my guess;

two of the sentences are ending in to-be verbs. I don't think that's allowed generally.

but one sentence implies a past participle - located i.e. an ending. The other does not have an ending, implied or otherwise.

seems like I read something about grammar such as that is.

but I'm old and feeble minded.

just a guess.

nevermind


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Kiwigoddess



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you tell me _______________________?

1. why you are so busy
2. where the post office is
3. what your favorite subject is
4. which is the largest city in Korea

I would say #4 too. Although simply replacing "which" with "what" would still be incorrect. It should be "Can you tell me what the largest city in Korea is" OR "Can you tell me which city in Korea is the largest?
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Waygeek



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
They're all correct.


I would bloody hope so, or my grammar needs some serious brushing up.

I have a question? Why are some ESL teachers so anal about this stuff? I have some very gifted students, they are going straight to Yonsei, and they do not need to learn this stuff. This is never going to assist them. Better to spend the time on conversation skills IMO.


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transmogrifier



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine it is 4, due to the fact it is not subject+verb order like the others. The complicating factor is the use of 'which'

Which city is the largest?
Could you tell me which city is the largest?

The indirect question here preserves the Wh+subject+verb order expected.

However, if we are already aware of the topic, the noun can be skipped.

I don't know which city to visit.
Well, which is the largest?

The indirect version of this: Could you tell me which is the largest?

The question inserts city in the wrong place, but it sounds right. And that's why it is confusing.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not buying it.

You could word that question various ways, but there is nothing wrong with "Can you tell me which is the largest city in Korea?"
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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every choice can be answered 'yes I can' or 'no I can't' so I'd say they are all correct.

I'd reorder #4 to 'Can you tell me which city in Korea is the largest?' since no choice of cities to choose from has been offered but that doesn't mean the question isn't possible. It just annoys me.
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newb



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're all incorrect. We don't speak that way. You have to be a dork.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As people have said they're all correct. However from what I know of Korean tests, 4 is 'incorrect' as the word order is that of a question and not an indirect question. So strictly speaking it should be

'Can you tell me which the largest city in Korea is? '
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
As people have said they're all correct. However from what I know of Korean tests, 4 is 'incorrect' as the word order is that of a question and not an indirect question. So strictly speaking it should be

'Can you tell me which the largest city in Korea is? '


Grammatically, that is incorrect.

It should be: "Could you tell me which city in Korea is the largest?"
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I must admit it sounds wrong to me but I still think it's the 'correct answer' (ie the wrong one in this case as far as the Koreans are concerned
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
schwa wrote:
They're all correct.


I would bloody hope so, or my grammar needs some serious brushing up.

I have a question? Why are some ESL teachers so anal about this stuff? I have some very gifted students, they are going straight to Yonsei, and they do not need to learn this stuff. This is never going to assist them. Better to spend the time on conversation skills IMO.



It's not EFL teachers that worry about this stuff, it's the Koreans with all their

tests.

They make up all kinds of phoney rules and put them into their grammar books to control education. That way they can baffle the waygukins
and make themselves seem smart.
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