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docmoxie
Joined: 26 Apr 2013
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 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:36 pm Post subject: Opinions on this job offer? |
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My fiancee and I are trying to decide whether to take a job at a kindergarten / elementary school. We're both first-time teachers (w/ CELTAs), so any advice is appreciated. The school is in Busan, and we'd be teaching 30 hrs/week for 2.1 mil won. 10 days paid vacation and paid flights and housing included. We've already spoken to a teacher there and the place seems solid--great atmosphere, several long-time foreign teachers, and a very modern facility.
Any thoughts? Thanks! |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| With a CELTA, why would you settle for an entry level salary? |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't know you get paid more if you have a CELTA. if you do it can't be that much more |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Have the salaries changed? The starting salary used to be 1.8. I think some schools count TEFL or CELTA as experience. I started out at 2.1 and I had no ESL experience but I had a TEFL and I had two years of part time experience teaching Biology at a university. I think it was the TEFL certificate that counted for experience. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Starting salary at my former hagwon with no certification was 2.3. After I got my TESOL I got a raise and reduced hours. You can do better. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| That offer is standard, middle-of-the-road for someone with a BA in BS. With a CELTA you should expect something better. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Opinions on this job offer? |
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| docmoxie wrote: |
My fiancee and I are trying to decide whether to take a job at a kindergarten / elementary school. We're both first-time teachers (w/ CELTAs), so any advice is appreciated. The school is in Busan, and we'd be teaching 30 hrs/week for 2.1 mil won. 10 days paid vacation and paid flights and housing included. We've already spoken to a teacher there and the place seems solid--great atmosphere, several long-time foreign teachers, and a very modern facility.
Any thoughts? Thanks! |
Be careful.
30 classes or 30 hours? 30 hours in a kindy hagwon can mean up to 45 or more classes per week and hours of 9/10am-7pm (admittedly with a long lunch break).
2.1 mil is bog standard for an entry level job (today) and a CELTA (certificate in English language teaching to ADULTS) is pretty much wasted on a kindy class ...
almost nothing you have learned other than lesson planning will apply - you'd be better off understanding why Barney and Sesame Street work so well.
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Starting salary at my former hagwon with no certification was 2.3. After I got my TESOL I got a raise and reduced hours. You can do better. |
Didn't you already have in-country experience when you got that Hakwon position? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Yes, and she's female. Females get paid considerably more.
Here's a male's perspective:
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I have 5+ years experience, and I headed entire English departments and managed both Korean and foreign teachers. I have a 200 hour teaching certificate from a reputable institution. I'm comfortable in the culture and have 5,000 hours of in class experience.
I get paid 2.2 million Korean won. A ridiculously low sum. But when I was on the job hunt last year, it was the best offer I could get. When I or my recruiters would ask for 2.3 or 2.4, schools stopped returning emails and calls. They would then almost immediately hire someone for 2.0 or 2.1. I even found some places starting salary negotiations at 1.8. |
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I have solid references from my previous jobs (I had my Korean friend call them before I started to pose as a school and check this out first.)
Nothing in my resume or character says I should be making this little. I just couldn't find anyone willing to pay more than that without a dramatic rise in working hours. I did find one school offering 2.4, but it was a kindergarten/hagwon mix. They wanted 11 hours a day M-F and 2 Saturdays a month.
Sad thing is, some poor soul actually took that job. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Yes, and she's female. Females get paid considerably more.
Here's a male's perspective:
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I have 5+ years experience, and I headed entire English departments and managed both Korean and foreign teachers. I have a 200 hour teaching certificate from a reputable institution. I'm comfortable in the culture and have 5,000 hours of in class experience.
I get paid 2.2 million Korean won. A ridiculously low sum. But when I was on the job hunt last year, it was the best offer I could get. When I or my recruiters would ask for 2.3 or 2.4, schools stopped returning emails and calls. They would then almost immediately hire someone for 2.0 or 2.1. I even found some places starting salary negotiations at 1.8. |
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I have solid references from my previous jobs (I had my Korean friend call them before I started to pose as a school and check this out first.)
Nothing in my resume or character says I should be making this little. I just couldn't find anyone willing to pay more than that without a dramatic rise in working hours. I did find one school offering 2.4, but it was a kindergarten/hagwon mix. They wanted 11 hours a day M-F and 2 Saturdays a month.
Sad thing is, some poor soul actually took that job. |
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Females get paid more? Really? Got soem stats to back that up because that is a pretty big statement WT. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Starting salary at my former hagwon with no certification was 2.3. After I got my TESOL I got a raise and reduced hours. You can do better. |
Didn't you already have in-country experience when you got that Hakwon position? |
Yes, but I negotiated better hours instead of higher salary. It was her base salary. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Females get paid more? Really? Got soem stats to back that up because that is a pretty big statement WT. |
Well, as females are more desired/in demand, it is not inconceivable they could negotiate a higher salary/get into the higher paying jobs.
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| I get paid more than 3 million won a month, have 15 hours of work a week, and 5 months of paid vacation. |
Did you want some official stats? Here's some stuff from Time Magazine:
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| according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%). |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Starting salary at my former hagwon with no certification was 2.3. After I got my TESOL I got a raise and reduced hours. You can do better. |
Didn't you already have in-country experience when you got that Hakwon position? |
Yes, but I negotiated better hours instead of higher salary. It was her base salary. |
thats what I figured. Thanks for the response NYCGAL. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Females get paid more? Really? Got soem stats to back that up because that is a pretty big statement WT. |
Well, as females are more desired/in demand, it is not inconceivable they could negotiate a higher salary/get into the higher paying jobs.
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| I get paid more than 3 million won a month, have 15 hours of work a week, and 5 months of paid vacation. |
Did you want some official stats? Here's some stuff from Time Magazine:
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| according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%). |
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Interesting and this is a major and historic shift in relative pay for women and men. It is in fact a massive societal change considering how hard women have worked to get equal pay for equal work and how they still fight for pay equality in many areas.
As for Korea you basically are speculating as your response proved (they could conceivably negotiate). That's fine, everyone has their opinion but this one seems far fetched because ANYONE can negotiate higher salary or better conditions if they have some leverage, this would be non-gender related. |
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grnmle
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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"As for Korea you basically are speculating as your response proved (they could conceivably negotiate). That's fine, everyone has their opinion but this one seems far fetched because ANYONE can negotiate higher salary or better conditions if they have some leverage, this would be non-gender related."
If you think gender doesn't have an impact you have to be deluded. For years, I have read threads on here that talk about how woman are in greater demand. 
You can speculate all day as to why, but you can't deny it. |
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