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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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 Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:50 pm Post subject: It's not racism - it's reverse racism! |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/05/116_134998.html
Or so says the Coalition Against Foreigner Crimes. Korean logic at its best?!
'The xenophobic incident targeting Little Psy came weeks after a conservative Internet cafe Coalition Against Foreigner Crimes, filed a complaint against four former welfare ministers, including Chin Soo-hee, for their alleged contribution to an increase in undocumented workers.
Cho Dong-hwan, the founder of the group, insists that the ministers should pay back billions of won spent on medical support for illegal workers since 2005. The claim was dismissed by the prosecution.
Cho said the government �overprotected� immigrants, and undocumented workers, causing some Koreans to feel they were being reversely discriminated against.'
�The government is mainly responsible for an increase of foreigner crimes here because it supports undocumented workers,� Cho said. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: It's not racism - it's reverse racism! |
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| maximmm wrote: |
| Cho said the government �overprotected� immigrants causing some Koreans to feel they were being reversely discriminated against. |
Hmm, I'm not sure I even understand what is going on in this article because I haven't sucked down my morning coffee yet...
But is this the same sort of thing as how in the USA black/mexicans with lower grades get into college and with lower skills get jobs? Essentially "reverse discriminating" against whites? |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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The fact that the xenophobes are attacking a child just shows how week they are. Little Psy comes from 2 great cultures.
But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: It's not racism - it's reverse racism! |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
| Cho said the government �overprotected� immigrants causing some Koreans to feel they were being reversely discriminated against. |
Hmm, I'm not sure I even understand what is going on in this article because I haven't sucked down my morning coffee yet...
But is this the same sort of thing as how in the USA black/mexicans with lower grades get into college and with lower skills get jobs? Essentially "reverse discriminating" against whites? |
No...it's not...at all.
What happens in the U.S. are minority groups being given some breaks to get into universitites because they were and are historically oppressed.
Korea imports labor because their own labor has simply become too expensive. As much as this group complains, very few Koreans are willing to do DDD work anymore. It's a basic function of population versus economics.
If this anti-immigrant group was actually interested in *answers* they'd be addressing why Korea has such an obscenely low birth-rate. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
Which culture are you refering to as "great"? Korean? Surely you must be joking. Korean culture has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity's accumulated knowledge base. Zero. Nada. Even today, having borrowed so much from the West, it still has only a thin veneer of civilization. Scratch under the surface and you have a nation of peasants in suits. Sorry to be harsh, but saying something as ludicrous as calling Korean culture "great" is just asking for it.
The silliest statement on Daves in a long time. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Every culture has greatness in certain things. I know that kind of relativisim isn't popular around this place.
You could ask the same "what has this culture contributed" of many cultures and come up empty handed but still refer to the as "Great". |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
Which culture are you refering to as "great"? Korean? Surely you must be joking. Korean culture has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity's accumulated knowledge base. Zero. Nada. |
While it certainly hasn't contributed much, to say Zero, nada is a bit much.
After all Koreans contributed to China and Japan's as well as their own accumulated knowledge. They are certainly human.
Or by humanity, did you mean people of European descent?
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| it still has only a thin veneer of civilization. Scratch under the surface and you have a nation of peasants in suits. |
I believe that qualifies for every nation of people on Earth. Unless you believe that other nations and homo sapiens on this planet are magically more evolved and have eliminated things like greed, lust, and wroth from their existence.
What I can't get, is that for someone who has had zero to do with developing Western civilization, why you are getting so puffed up about it? You haven't done squat. I see no reason for the inflated ego. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
Every culture has greatness in certain things. I know that kind of relativisim isn't popular around this place.
You could ask the same "what has this culture contributed" of many cultures and come up empty handed but still refer to the as "Great". |
I wouldn't refer to them as great then.
That's PC equality, let's not hurt anyone's feeling stuff. I don't know how you could be relativist about this? Look around computers, cars, TVs, planes, trains - to pretend that Korea contributed to their development is laughable. Name a modern thing in Korea, that wasn't first manufactured overseas? I don't mean a cultural item, like Yut Nori, I mean mechanical.
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| But those attacking him make a great culture seem weak. |
Which culture are you refering to as "great"? Korean? Surely you must be joking. Korean culture has contributed absolutely nothing to humanity's accumulated knowledge base. Zero. Nada. Even today, having borrowed so much from the West, it still has only a thin veneer of civilization. Scratch under the surface and you have a nation of peasants in suits. Sorry to be harsh, but saying something as ludicrous as calling Korean culture "great" is just asking for it. |
paint a turd gold and its still a turd |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
Every culture has greatness in certain things. I know that kind of relativisim isn't popular around this place.
You could ask the same "what has this culture contributed" of many cultures and come up empty handed but still refer to the as "Great". |
I wouldn't refer to them as great then.
That PC equality, let's not hurt anyone's feeling stuff. I don't know how you could be relativist about this? Look around computers, cars, TVs, planes, trains - to pretend that Korea contributed to their development is laughable. Name a modern thing in Korea, that wasn't first manufactured overseas? I don't mean a cultural item, like Yut Nori, I mean mechanical. |
They may not have invented them, but they have certainly been instrumental in delivering them to the masses.
Is mass distribution any less significant than invention? Isn't that what made the West great 500 years ago? China had all these wonderful inventions, but kept them secret and away from the people, except where they leaked out to other powers, while in Europe they were spread out and shared so that they could be improved upon.
Oh and by the way, since a great many things invented by the West over the last 1000 years were based off of Middle Eastern or East Asian inventions and discoveries, why don't you apply that same standard to those contributions?
If the you want to take back the things from the West that Korea enjoys- your planes, trains, cars, and TV, the East should ask for Algebra, Chemistry, Paper, Medicine, Magnetism, Printing, Gunpowder, and Christianity back- in other words the foundations of the civilization and inventions you hold so dear.
Just as the West took those things and developed them without inventing them, so to now is Korea contributing to the development and distribution of things that it has taken from the outside world.
And again, for someone who had nothing to do with those things, I don't see why you are getting so puffed up over them and acting like you have some kind of claim over them anymore than a Korean person does. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
Every culture has greatness in certain things. I know that kind of relativisim isn't popular around this place.
You could ask the same "what has this culture contributed" of many cultures and come up empty handed but still refer to the as "Great". |
I wouldn't refer to them as great then.
That's PC equality, let's not hurt anyone's feeling stuff. I don't know how you could be relativist about this? Look around computers, cars, TVs, planes, trains - to pretend that Korea contributed to their development is laughable. Name a modern thing in Korea, that wasn't first manufactured overseas? I don't mean a cultural item, like Yut Nori, I mean mechanical. |
OK. I agree with you to a point.
But there are other ways in which the "greatness" of a culture/nation is measured. Vietnam hasn't given the world anything either really. But I think that their fight for independence against the French and then the Americans would qualify as a great achievement and reflects their culture in a great light. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
Every culture has greatness in certain things. I know that kind of relativisim isn't popular around this place.
You could ask the same "what has this culture contributed" of many cultures and come up empty handed but still refer to the as "Great". |
I wouldn't refer to them as great then.
That PC equality, let's not hurt anyone's feeling stuff. I don't know how you could be relativist about this? Look around computers, cars, TVs, planes, trains - to pretend that Korea contributed to their development is laughable. Name a modern thing in Korea, that wasn't first manufactured overseas? I don't mean a cultural item, like Yut Nori, I mean mechanical. |
They may not have invented them, but they have certainly been instrumental in delivering them to the masses.
Is mass distribution any less significant than invention? |
Yes.
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Oh and by the way, since a great many things invented by the West over the last 1000 years were based off of Middle Eastern or East Asian inventions and discoveries, why don't you apply that same standard to those contributions? |
I do, those were great civilizations. But Korea wasn't one of them. By calling it "East Asia", are you trying to get Korea credit for Chinese inventions?
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| Just as the West took those things and developed them without inventing them, so to now is Korea contributing to the development and distribution of things that it has taken from the outside world. |
Like what?
| Steelrails wrote: |
| And again, for someone who had nothing to do with those things, I don't see why you are getting so puffed up over them and acting like you have some kind of claim over them anymore than a Korean person does. |
Where did I claim credit? I credit countries that did something, it isn't because I'm from their culture. (For example, I'd say China was a great culture, same with Egypt.) [But an American talking about their history is as legit as a Korean talking about theirs.] |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Steelrails"]
If the you want to take back the things from the West that Korea enjoys- your planes, trains, cars, and TV, the East should ask for Algebra, Chemistry, Paper, Medicine, Magnetism, Printing, Gunpowder, and Christianity back- in other words the foundations of the civilization and inventions you hold so dear.
Just as the West took those things and developed them without inventing them, so to now is Korea contributing to the development and distribution of things that it has taken from the outside world.
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I'm not being rude esp as you were fine in your reply to me in that thread about the annoying muppet slagging off other English teachers, but you have made mistakes in your list of supposedly non Western inventions.
People here and generally need to polish up their knowledge. Algebra actually came from the Greeks via the Ionians. Ever heard of the collection of islands that made up ancient Ionia? The Ionian philosophers and mathematicians contributed the ideas that formed the basis of Greek and then western, then eastern intellectual development in mathematics and chemistry etc.
The west did not 'lose' that knowledge and the Arabic cultures preserved it - it's not so simple as that. The Byzantine Christian Empire was more or less the Roman Empire in the east. It carried on the intellectual and cultural traditions from the Greeks/Romans until the fall of Byzantium to the Ottomans.
That is not to say that there were not developments in the Arabic world and the continuing of intellectual traditions but there was not some loss of knowledge in the west, it was not so simple.
Re medicine, the Romans made medical discoveries building on those of the Greeks and also developed the philosophy of doctor-patient ethics via Hippocrates. That is not to say there was no medical developments in the east, but the east did not 'invent' medicine and the west copy it. There are other points I could make but no time.
I'd say that the Gothic cathedrals built in Europe's so called 'Dark Ages' just about summarise the big gap between western and eastern Asian technology in building construction and its materials. While China, Japan and Korea are keen to show the old wooden structures they built, the Europeans were making incredibly advanced and big cathedrals of stone with stained glass windows which architects still marvel at regarding the technique.
The Arabs of course were noted for their use of glass and glass windows etc but the technique of the stained glass of some Gothic cathedrals is still not fully known. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: Re: It's not racism - it's reverse racism! |
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| jdog2050 wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
| Cho said the government �overprotected� immigrants causing some Koreans to feel they were being reversely discriminated against. |
Hmm, I'm not sure I even understand what is going on in this article because I haven't sucked down my morning coffee yet...
But is this the same sort of thing as how in the USA black/mexicans with lower grades get into college and with lower skills get jobs? Essentially "reverse discriminating" against whites? |
No...it's not...at all.
What happens in the U.S. are minority groups being given some breaks to get into universitites because they were and are historically oppressed.
Korea imports labor because their own labor has simply become too expensive. As much as this group complains, very few Koreans are willing to do DDD work anymore. It's a basic function of population versus economics.
If this anti-immigrant group was actually interested in *answers* they'd be addressing why Korea has such an obscenely low birth-rate. |
If you didn't know, America has a black President. How are they oppressed? |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: |
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It's not racism - it's reverse racism!
Wow, exactly what waygooks say! Guess we're not that different after all...
| lithium wrote: |
If you didn't know, America has a black President. How are they oppressed? |
The word 'history' typically refers to the study of the past. |
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