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Fox
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 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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| The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America. |
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Titus
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America. |
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Someone is getting paid. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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Silly Fox. Only an anti-government conspiracy theorist would worry about a domestically-operating government agency buying enough bullets to shoot every man, woman and child in the country five times.
The DHS has to be ready in case 10 million Americans suddenly become terrorists and need to be put down. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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An expected ratio of 160 bullets per kill is about right for the US forces
(hasn't improved much since Vietnam).
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America. |
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I'm more distrubed by the purchase of the vehicles than the ammo.
DHS runs the training center for most federal law enforcement agencies (ICE, ATF, the Marshals, etc). I'm sure they go through a ton of ammo.
Also, DHS might sell some of this ammo to other government agencies. My former employer bought ammo from the Army and Navy all the time because they could get it for a lot less than my agency could.
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No, more likely DHS has a ton of money and doesn't want its budget to get cut so it has to look like it is using all its resources.
DHS is a mini-version of the Pentagon: it is seriously bloated and could be significantly cut back and no one would notice. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| When (not if) economic collapse comes the bullets will come in handy to deal with any and all subversives. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
No, more likely DHS has a ton of money and doesn't want its budget to get cut so it has to look like it is using all its resources. |
^ A big leap of faith. Tens of millions have been killed by their own governments in the last 100 years alone. |
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Titus
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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| Titus wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
No, more likely DHS has a ton of money and doesn't want its budget to get cut so it has to look like it is using all its resources. |
^ A big leap of faith. Tens of millions have been killed by their own governments in the last 100 years alone. |
So of course that means that the US government is definitely ordering all these bullets to kill our own citizens.  |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Department of Homeland Security Stockpiling Ammunition? |
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| comm wrote: |
Silly Fox. Only an anti-government conspiracy theorist would worry about a domestically-operating government agency buying enough bullets to shoot every man, woman and child in the country five times.
The DHS has to be ready in case 10 million Americans suddenly become terrorists and need to be put down. |
You obviously do not get it. The gov't buying the ammunition lessens the amount available for the citizens. The gov't can't take away your guns, but you won't have any bullets for them. Orwellian... |
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Zackback
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Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ammo Prices Have Doubled Since December At 'America's Largest Gun Shop'
The price of his store's ammunition has more than doubled since mid-December, says Larry Hyatt, owner of Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, N.C., which bills itself "America's Largest Gun Shop."
I spoke to Mr. Hyatt today about the increase in the price of ammunition since mid-December (when the gun control debate began to heat up). Hyatt said that the ammo market is "very volatile" and that he "doesn't know when the next shipment will be."
His best seller right now is .22LR caliber. Gun owners like to shoot this caliber because it is typically a cheaper round and also optimal for target shooting, known as "plinking"
A box containing 500 rounds of .22LR was selling for approximately $20/box back in December. Today, Mr. Hyatt tells me he is selling the same box for $49. This represents a 145 percent increase in price.
'We "immediately started rationing" as there are "a lot of unknowns for deliveries of products," Hyatt said.
The 5.56mm was selling for $0.50 a round in mid-December. Today it sells for $1.00/round; a 100 percent increase in price.
Mr. Hyatt also said that 50 rounds of 9mm were selling for $10.99 - but, they're now priced at $24.00 per box. This represents an increase of 118 percent.
Hyatt says the talk around his shop these days is that, next week, it'll cut the number of rounds allowed per purchase in half - and the week after that, they'll just show their customers a picture of a box of ammo.
Hyatt Gun's is located in Charlotte, N.C. and is known as "America's Largest Gun Shop."
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/ammo-prices-have-doubled-december-americas-largest-gun-shop |
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Zackback
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Increase the price of bullets and now this article. No sheople..nothing is going on.
DHS Seeks Millions More Rounds of Ammunition
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 3, 2013
The Department of Homeland Security has released a market survey asking companies if they are able to provide 2 million rounds of ammunition within a short time period, increasing concerns that the federal agency is continuing its arms build up in preparation for domestic unrest.
With the DHS already having committed to purchasing over 1.6 billion bullets over the course of the last year, a �request for information� on �reduced hazard training ammunition� posted on the FedBizOpps website quizzes bullet manufacturers on how fast they can supply large quantities of ammo;
- Are you capable of producing large quantity orders of any training caliber specified with a short turnaround time of 30-60 days?
- What would your lead time be for an order of 2 million rounds of a single type listed above?
- If you were awarded a contract for some of the calibers listed above, submitted a production lot of one million rounds and that lot or portion of the lot was not accepted, would you be able to replace that order with an additional one million rounds within 60 days?
The DHS�s apparent urge to find companies that can supply them with millions of rounds of ammunition within a short time frame will do little to calm concerns that the federal agency is making contingency plans for riots or some form of social dislocation.
The federal agency�s need to find companies that can commit to manufacturing large quantities of bullets quickly also lends credence to claims made by a firearms manufacturer who called into the Michael Savage show in March that the DHS is trying to exhaust ammunition supplies as part of an end run around the Second Amendment.
Ammunition is becoming increasingly scarce, with gun stores across the nation forced to resort to bullet rationing in an attempt to satisfy as many customers as they can, while some police departments are having to barter between themselves to meet demand.
The market survey also indicates that the DHS is interested in purchasing ammunition that will safely fragment when fired against an �armor steel plate,� which will only serve to stoke fears that the feds are gearing up to use the ammunition in an offensive manner.
Despite official denials backed up by unquestioning media reports that the DHS is buying an abnormal amount of bullets, the Government Accountability Office announced earlier this week that an investigation of the purchases is �just getting underway.�
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-seeks-millions-more-rounds-of-ammunition/ |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Before we begin, it�s important to understand that an RFQ (request for quote) or solicitation is not a purchase. When Infowars says something like �the Department of Homeland Security is planning to buy a further 750 million rounds of ammo in addition to the 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets already purchased earlier this year,� or �Following controversy over its purchase of around 1.2 billion bullets in the last six months alone, the Department of Homeland Security has put out a new solicitation for over 200 million more rounds of ammunition,� the reader is led to assume, naturally, that DHS has actually purchased that amount of ammunition. That is simply not the case. A solicitation is the equivalent of a want-to-buy ad on Craigslist, writ large. It�s not an actual purchase. |
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2013/03/15/homeland-securitys-ammunition-purchases-should-not-worry-you/
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Ms. Napolitano said her department has purchased about 150 million rounds of ammunition a year since 2009, with about 70 million of those going to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the agency that includes the U.S. Border Patrol.
Recent reports have said the department plans to buy billions of rounds of ammunition, which would amount to more than tens of thousands of rounds for every law enforcement officer in the department.
But Ms. Napolitano the numbers have been exaggerated. She said the contracts that have been reported represent an option to buy up to a certain limit over five years, and are not a one-time mass purchase. |
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/11/congress-investigates-dhs-ammo-purchase/#ixzz2SgML0035
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Nick Nayak, chief procurement officer for the Department of Homeland Security, did not challenge Chaffetz's numbers.
However, Nayak sought to counter what he described as several misconceptions about the bullet buys.
Despite reports that the department was trying to buy up to 1.6 billion rounds over five years, he said that is not true. He later clarified that the number is closer to 750 million.
He said the department, on average, buys roughly 100 million rounds per year. |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/26/reps-challenge-dhs-ammo-buys-say-agency-using-1000-more-rounds-per-person-than/#ixzz2SgMxQQhb
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| There are dozens of articles hyping government purchases of ammunition over the last nine months. After spending weeks researching this topic, this is a collection of commonly held myths that are based more on panic than fact. |
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Great-DHS-Ammunition-Stockpile-Myth
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Says the Department of Homeland Security has ordered "enough rounds of .40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States," possibly to combat "massive civil unrest" or "an invasion by a foreign power."
Homeland Security has contracted to buy up to 450 million .40-caliber bullets -- and that total exceeds the nation�s population. Significantly, though, the purchase contract covers five years; there�s no indication the agency is piling up the bullets in a hurry.
More significantly, we found nothing to support the email�s ominous suggestions. Rather, the large size of the contract is explained as a way for the government to buy in bulk to save money on ammunition used routinely for training officers in a wide variety of agencies.
We rate the email Mostly False. |
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/apr/30/chain-email/chain-email-says-homeland-security-purchasing-many/
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| Despite official denials backed up by unquestioning media reports... |
Unquestioning indeed. |
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