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The two faces of South Korea
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:45 am    Post subject: The two faces of South Korea Reply with quote

Sometimes I feel like I live in two different countries. One day I feel like Steelrails, the next day I feel like Julius.

There's one Korea that bends over backwards to be sure you're having a pleasant experience: The Korea that spares no expense and pays for everything at the end of the night; the Korea that offers you "service" just because you're a familiar face; the Korea whose children bow at you with a gracious 안녕하세요; the Korea that gives you their umbrella to keep when it's raining; the Korea that buys you the most expensive beer in the shop just because you offered them a shot of soju; the Korea that earns minimum wage yet still comes to your house with pizza, chicken, and a bottle of Bombay; the Korea that rushes to the door just to hold it open for you; the Korea that always makes sure that your glass is full and your belly is full.

Then, there's the Korea where it seems people are almost encouraged to disregard everyone around them: the Korea that blocks you on the sidewalk; the Korea that scoffs at you after asking your age or home country; the Korea whose children you need to practically scream at to shut them up, and they respond a cheeky grunt and proceed to talk in Korean about how funny your hair looks; the Korea that takes cuts in line; the Korea that quickly turns a corner ahead of you just to walk at a snail's pace; the Korea that never misses a chance to make you out to look like a fool; the Korea that shouts and screams at 4:00 in the morning as if nobody else is in the building; the Korea that uses the language barrier as an opportunity to say bad things about you; the Korea that regards most foreigners as a sub-human species not worth their dog's respect, then sends their kids to schools and academies thinking and acting the same way.
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cabeza



Joined: 29 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: The two faces of South Korea Reply with quote

Yip. Although you could make similar lists about every country on earth. The paradox here sometimes can be exasperating and for me personally much more noticable than most other countries i've been to.
But....
Threequalseven wrote:
the Korea that rushes to the door just to hold it open for you;

I have never witnessed that.
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saram_



Joined: 13 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: The two faces of South Korea Reply with quote

cabeza wrote:

Threequalseven wrote:
the Korea that rushes to the door just to hold it open for you;

I have never witnessed that.


I've seen it..
I think this is a great OP and point..
This thread will prob end up becoming a spat between a few of the usual suspects but anyway..I like the idea.

For me too, I see both sides so much. From my perspective I tend to look at the positive things more than the bad. I'll kind of disregard the bad or try to understand where it's coming from. The positives outweigh the negatives in my mind which is the important thing.

Maybe that's what you got to do to if you are here for a long time. Block out some of the bad and just focus on the good.. and there is plenty of that if you look around.

Maybe that is a flawed position too but it has worked ok so far.
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate the two faces of Korea but sadly the latter negative points from the OP irks me more frequently than the pleasantries mentioned in the positive spin.

The door opening thing? Not counting those official greeter people at the door, I can count on one hand the number of times that a Korean has held a door open for me in the 5 years that I've lived here; the rest just let it fall back behind or try to shuffle through the small opening; thus, letting me take the full weight of the door swinging back.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you are saying that some days are good and some days are bad. That isn't 2 faces. That's life.
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
So you are saying that some days are good and some days are bad. That isn't 2 faces. That's life.


You didn't quote the OP but asked the question under my post so I will answer it.

I'm saying that days can have both good and bad instances; however, looking at the list in the OP I encounter more of the bad instances just on my journey to work that takes only 20 mins than any positive encounters that I experience that whole day. Of the positive and negative facets that make up Korean life; the negative aspects frustrate and anger me more daily than any positive experiences. Yes, that is life and as such I can give my experiences.

If every day is more roses and sunshine to you then that's great.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are very clear differences between the two instances in the OP. The first is people who know you, the second is people who don't know you. Although I have never seen anybody open the door for somebody they don't know. Hell most people don't hold the door open even for the people they know.
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lithium



Joined: 18 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound like you need friends.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the bad start to outweigh the good, maybe it's time to leave.
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
When the bad start to outweigh the good, maybe it's time to leave.


Not quite. Cycling is a great stress reliever to deal with my daily frustrations; not to mention Dave's Very Happy
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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who was it that made that super-long list of complaints about Korea ,and where can I see it again? It was pretty funny.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you know why I feel more comfortable in my church than on a busy Korean sidewalk with full of passive mindless people.
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seoulshock



Joined: 12 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a recent trip to Korea, I bought a subway train ticket and after putting it in the turnstile, forgot to take it out from the other end and kept walking. I heard some guy yell out "선생님!" several times before I looked back and saw that he was running up to me with the ticket.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Now you know why I feel more comfortable in my church than on a busy Korean sidewalk with full of passive mindless people


I like what you did there, very subtle!
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savant wrote:
optik404 wrote:
When the bad start to outweigh the good, maybe it's time to leave.


Not quite. Cycling is a great stress reliever to deal with my daily frustrations; not to mention Dave's Very Happy


This is true. Few things are better for stress reduction in Korea than cycling. But OP, yeah it's not just "having a bad day" now and again as someone mistakenly suggested. It's about the clash of emotions over a short period of time, often at the same time. Mood swings are part of the Korea experience. If you feel the same way about Korea at 5pm as you did at 4:35pm you're not doing the whole Korea experience right.Confused
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