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Boffo97
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 Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: Any Ideas Why My CBC Was Rejected by KI? |
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I've got a bit of a dilemma for you guys. I've previously worked in Korea (though when I began that job, a state background check was sufficient for Korean Immigration and I did not need, and thus did not get an FBI CBC) and am heading back there again next month.
However, I was just informed today that my CBC was rejected by Korean Immigration, and I'm at a loss as to why.
Before the weekend, my contact at my new school asked me when and where the CBC check was issued. This confused me because there's a date on the check itself (February 14th, 2013), and it was issued the only way it can be issued for Americans (as far as I know), submitting a fingerprint card to the FBI and waiting 6 weeks for the check to arrive.
Looking at the scan of the check, I do notice that the FBI made a mistake and got one letter in my last name wrong copying it from the card, but I can't be the first person that's happened to.
So here's my dilemma. Why do you guys think my CBC was rejected? Because of the mistake in my name? If so, I should be able to call the FBI and get a new form issued. Or did I do something wrong in requesting the form to begin with?
Any ideas? |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you get the apostille? |
Should have specified that, but yes.
There's three pages stapled together, Apostille, the Notary Form, then the actual check.
I'm actually starting to wonder if maybe Immigration was somehow looking at the wrong form, since I was asked where and when I got the check, and those aren't logical questions if they were looking at the correct form. The date is right on the check in bold letters, and there's only one possible way to get the check (at least, one way that KI will accept it, since I was told they don't accept expedited checks through chaneller companies.) |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Looking at the scan of the check, I do notice that the FBI made a mistake and got one letter in my last name wrong copying it from the card, but I can't be the first person that's happened to. |
This could be a problem. |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm being told now that the name thing wasn't the issue but since I brought it up, yes it has to be fixed.
What's apparently going on is that they say the form I sent in wasn't the right format and failed Korean Immigration's "authenticity check".
If the check in question is attempting to photocopy it and have it sprout up UNAUTHORIZED COPY all over the copy, then the form I sent them DOES do that, since the scan I took of it before sending it does as well.
I'm starting to think more and more that someone assumed the wrong form was my CBC and of course it wasn't the right format and wouldn't pass an authenticity check... |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Any Ideas Why My CBC Was Rejected by KI? |
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| Boffo97 wrote: |
Looking at the scan of the check, I do notice that the FBI made a mistake and got one letter in my last name wrong copying it from the card, but I can't be the first person that's happened to.
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That would be sufficient reason for any agency to reject your CBC. Also you cannot have a CBC that shows a record of anything or they will likely reject it. Assuming the CBC said "no record found" send the CBC back to the FBI and call them up on the phone at the same time, and tell them to send you another one. It was their mistake. They should and I think will expedite another CBC for you.
Another thing is you cannot use CBC Channelers for the CBC, the application has to be sent directly by you or you will get a different looking CBC and Immigration will reject it. In fact I don't think you can get channeled CBC's apostilled. |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Any Ideas Why My CBC Was Rejected by KI? |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Boffo97 wrote: |
Looking at the scan of the check, I do notice that the FBI made a mistake and got one letter in my last name wrong copying it from the card, but I can't be the first person that's happened to.
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That would be sufficient reason for any agency to reject your CBC. Also you cannot have a CBC that shows a record of anything or they will likely reject it. Assuming the CBC said "no record found" send the CBC back to the FBI and call them up on the phone at the same time, and tell them to send you another one. It was their mistake. They should and I think will expedite another CBC for you.
Another thing is you cannot use CBC Channelers for the CBC, the application has to be sent directly by you or you will get a different looking CBC and Immigration will reject it. In fact I don't think you can get channeled CBC's apostilled. |
I plan on calling the FBI Monday. I can't send the original back since it's in Korea right now.
Yes, there is "No Record Found", otherwise I wouldn't even be asking (or applying)
I already found out the hard way that Channelers don't work. But I did get my Channeler check Notarized and Apostilled with no issue (I honestly think all the Apostille office does is check to make sure that a real notary notarized it.)
The fact that the name was wrong was news to the school... which furthers the idea that for some reason, they were looking at the wrong page. |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm being told now that I lost the job. I sent an e-mail appealing it, but this is weird.
NOTE: Several people have pointed out the name thing as an issue. It was one and I was willing to correct but it is NOT an issue the school ever pointed out. The official cause here was something else.
Friday (Korean Time): I'm asked where and when I had the background check. I'm confused by this because the paper has the date in a very noticeable place, and there is no place to "get it done". You have to get it done by mail.
Monday: I'm told that the background check was the wrong paper and it failed the authenticity check. (Why would they do the check if it was the wrong paper?) I tell them I'm willing to get the correct paper if I need to (and I would with the name thing).
Tuesday: The tune is changed from I need to get the correct paper to the job offer being withdrawn because Immigration suggested that I might have forged the paper.
So I have no clue what is happening. She said I should have gotten two pages back and I wasn't supposed to staple anything to it... but I only got one page and the only way I know how to notarize and apostille a form is to staple the notarization and apostille forms to it.
I got the CBC I did by following the instructions on this page. Is this the correct set of instructions?
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/criminal-history-summary-checks/submitting-a-criminal-history-summary-request-to-the-fbi
I'm just trying to make sense of this... since not only have I likely lost this job, but I might have a black mark with Immigration for potential forgery.... and it's insane.
Can anyone suggest something I might have done wrong (other than the name thing, which again did not come up and is a case of an obvious typo)? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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I may be wrong but I was always under the impression that for US citizens the FBI check came with a seal on it (you had to indicate when you ordered the CBC that you need the seal in order to get an apostille).
When you got the CBC you then sent it to the Sec.of.State in DC for a national/federal apostille (hence, 2 pages not 3).
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
I may be wrong but I was always under the impression that for US citizens the FBI check came with a seal on it (you had to indicate when you ordered the CBC that you need the seal in order to get an apostille).
When you got the CBC you then sent it to the Sec.of.State in DC for a national/federal apostille (hence, 2 pages not 3).
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I didn't indicate that I needed a seal, but the report I got had a printed seal and a signature on it. Was this sufficient?
Then I went to a notary and a state apostille... which I've done for all my Korean visa stuff and never had a problem before. But that may have been the issue. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Boffo97 wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
I may be wrong but I was always under the impression that for US citizens the FBI check came with a seal on it (you had to indicate when you ordered the CBC that you need the seal in order to get an apostille).
When you got the CBC you then sent it to the Sec.of.State in DC for a national/federal apostille (hence, 2 pages not 3).
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I didn't indicate that I needed a seal, but the report I got had a printed seal and a signature on it. Was this sufficient?
Then I went to a notary and a state apostille... which I've done for all my Korean visa stuff and never had a problem before. But that may have been the issue. |
It sounds like everything was sufficient, seal and signature and you got an apostille. I would just re-apply for another job once you get all your documents prepared. There's no telling if immigration actually thinks you forged the document or if the employer is lying or doesn't understand what immigration said to them. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
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If I saw someone's FBI CRC with a misspelled name on it, I'd consider it another person's report, forged, and/or applicant is not competent enough to do the job for submitting CRC with misspelled name.
No way I'd submit my CRC with misspelled name on it. |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to ttompatz. It looks like your advice was correct.
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If I saw someone's FBI CRC with a misspelled name on it, I'd consider it another person's report, forged, and/or applicant is not competent enough to do the job for submitting CRC with misspelled name.
No way I'd submit my CRC with misspelled name on it. |
I assume then you've never missed a one letter typo on anything and will resign your teaching position should you ever make a mistake.
Oh wait, you were just trolling. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Then I went to a notary and a state apostille... which I've done for all my Korean visa stuff and never had a problem before. But that may have been the issue. |
You got a state apostille? Like a California or Florida kind of state? You did not get a Federal Department of State apostille? I may be wrong but I thought FBI checks had to be have a federal apostille? I know, I know some states do apostille federal documents. So what may have happened is immigration is looking for the federal verification/apostille, but you only gave a state state department one? Immi official refused it then.
Remember for officials and documents the more things look the norm, the easier things will be. When things look wonky, expect refusals. |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Boffo97 wrote: |
Then I went to a notary and a state apostille... which I've done for all my Korean visa stuff and never had a problem before. But that may have been the issue. |
You got a state apostille? Like a California or Florida kind of state? You did not get a Federal Department of State apostille? I may be wrong but I thought FBI checks had to be have a federal apostille? I know, I know some states do apostille federal documents. So what may have happened is immigration is looking for the federal verification/apostille, but you only gave a state state department one? Immi official refused it then.
Remember for officials and documents the more things look the norm, the easier things will be. When things look wonky, expect refusals. |
Yeah, California State... which everything else I ever had Apostilled for Korea had. I got it notarized and Apostilled just fine, and sent the scans to several recruiters who requested them, and this was my first hint that this wasn't acceptable.
So unfortunately, I had absolutely no idea that it would look wonky. It's only in hindsight that it's obvious that's what happened. |
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