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British rock! Why do all the greats come from England?
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: British rock! Why do all the greats come from England? Reply with quote

No country has produced more rock greats than the UK. The Stones, Beatles, Zepplin, The Who, Pink Floyd, Bowie, Queen, Sabbath, Clapton, Elton John, the Kinks, the Clash, etc. Yet they all seem to come from 'England'. Where's the Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish talent? Northern Ireland had Van Morrison, but that's it (with the exception of a noted guitarist here and there such as Gary Moore). Where are the Scottish and Welsh rockers of note? Yeah, I know that England has about 90% of the population, but the south of Ireland (with a mere five million people) has given up U2 and Thin Lizzy. Where are the Scottish bands?

Why does England rock harder than the rest of the UK?
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like football managers in reverse. Also the Jocks do pretty well on inventors, punching well above their weight
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

youre talking about an 'era' of music (mostly 70s) where the music scene was more predominant in the south of england.
These days, theres a lot of talent from wales; Charlotte church, steroephonics were pretty good as were/are the manics. Lost prophets, DJ sasha, duffy, 60ft dolls, badfinger, feeder, suoer furry animals, underworld.

Tom jones, all though a bit cheesy, was very famous back in the 60s and 70s and is a bit of an icon now.

what has uk got to show recently? Most decent bands come out of the USA, aus and canada.

(ps, I am a brit and you forgot about 'the police', radiohead and the sex pistols).
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's Bay City Rollers and Welsh are more known for making classically trained solo singers but my guess is that England had better music 'PRODUCERS' that do the arranging and London is by far the best music (i.e. dope) scene.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Culturally speaking, England has, pound for pound, produced more greats and had a greater influence than any country in say the last 500 years or so. Obviously I'm talking about more than just rock musicians (although I'm including that as well), but when you consider it's the home of Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, etc., well...there aren't many other nations that could line up with those three, and they're just the tip of the iceberg. I think even if you apply demerits for biases due to empire, the dominance of the English language, etc etc, England still stands alone. Must be something in the weather there. I'm American, btw.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waynehead wrote:
Culturally speaking, England has, pound for pound, produced more greats and had a greater influence than any country in say the last 500 years or so. Obviously I'm talking about more than just rock musicians (although I'm including that as well), but when you consider it's the home of Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, etc., well...there aren't many other nations that could line up with those three, and they're just the tip of the iceberg. I think even if you apply demerits for biases due to empire, the dominance of the English language, etc etc, England still stands alone. Must be something in the weather there. I'm American, btw.


i appreciate that england has some good, .......... music, but if you were to ask a brit "whats the best band/headliner at a concert"? theyd most probably say "radiohead". theyve had some good tunes but theyre not even almost as consistantly good as a lot of bands that play headline in the US.
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Off the top of my head;
foo fighters, REM, iggy pop, cypress hill (too many hip hop stars to mention), greenday, the white stripes, metallica, wilko, pantera, kings of leon, soundgarden, aerosmith, kiss, van halen, iggy pop, linkin park, rage against the machine, bon jovi (tounge in cheek...), tool, megadeth, slayer.

the past (including dead people) youve got,
the fecking doors!, michael jackson, the byrds, bruce sprigsteen, lynard skinner, nirvana, the eagles, CCR, lou reed, the whole folk, blues, jazz, funk, disco, northern soul, soul movements (too many legends to mention).

and

JIMI HENDRIX


i think yall confusing 'popular' with 'outstanding talent and incredible music'.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and im british btw...
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waynehead wrote:
Culturally speaking, England has, pound for pound, produced more greats and had a greater influence than any country in say the last 500 years or so. Obviously I'm talking about more than just rock musicians (although I'm including that as well), but when you consider it's the home of Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, etc., well...there aren't many other nations that could line up with those three, and they're just the tip of the iceberg. I think even if you apply demerits for biases due to empire, the dominance of the English language, etc etc, England still stands alone. Must be something in the weather there. I'm American, btw.


Don't forget the Industrial Revolution, constitutional monarchy, democracy, Hume, Thomas Payne, Locke, Adam Smith, and all the other factors that made democracy in America possible. Thomas Jefferson didn't find all those ideas about liberty under a park bench one day. They were British ideas that the colonists, due to their distance from the oppressive regime in London, were now able to be put into practice.

Britain's other settler colonies - Canada, Australia and New Zealand - turned out pretty good too. Can't say so much for those settled by Spain
or Portugal.

Britain definitely did a lot of shit right.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
waynehead wrote:
Culturally speaking, England has, pound for pound, produced more greats and had a greater influence than any country in say the last 500 years or so. Obviously I'm talking about more than just rock musicians (although I'm including that as well), but when you consider it's the home of Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, etc., well...there aren't many other nations that could line up with those three, and they're just the tip of the iceberg. I think even if you apply demerits for biases due to empire, the dominance of the English language, etc etc, England still stands alone. Must be something in the weather there. I'm American, btw.


Don't forget the Industrial Revolution, constitutional monarchy, democracy, Hume, Thomas Payne, Locke, Adam Smith, and all the other factors that made democracy in America possible. Thomas Jefferson didn't find all those ideas about liberty under a park bench one day. They were British ideas that the colonists, due to their distance from the oppressive regime in London, were now able to be put into practice.

Britain's other settler colonies - Canada, Australia and New Zealand - turned out pretty good too. Can't say so much for those settled by Spain
or Portugal.

Britain definitely did a lot of shit right.


WTF? How did this thread go so far off-topic so quickly? This must be a record (no pun intended). Anyway if I recall, N. Ireland had a band called Ash (although I've never heard any of their songs), the one hit wonders Snow Patrol, and the punk group Stiff Little Fingers....Still can't think of any bands from Scotland or Wales.

I think Tom Jones is in a category all his own. Not exactly rock. And Charlotte Church? Really? David Bowie she is not. We are, after all, talking about rock music here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
N. Ireland had a band called Ash (although I've never heard any of their songs), the one hit wonders Snow Patrol, and the punk group Stiff Little Fingers


The brilliant Undertones
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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:


lynard skinner



That's Lynyrd Skynyrd
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
le-paul wrote:


lynard skinner



That's Lynyrd Skynyrd


actually, its spelled leonard nimoy
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not no scotish bands. Simple minds in the 80s were pretty good, had more than a handfull of decent hits. I dont know if you remember travis? they had at least as many good songs as radiohead.

others include;

bay city rollers,
texas (q. of taste i suppose),
primal scream,
jesus and mary chain.
(wet wet wet were quite good quality song writers and musicians, dont really fit into the rock category though).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
Died By Bear wrote:
le-paul wrote:


lynard skinner



That's Lynyrd Skynyrd


actually, its spelled leonard nimoy


Oh my god, I laughed hard at this.
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Kiwigoddess



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

omg i love british rock!! slightly later, add the cult to that too, and if i may also venture into heavy metal, add iron maiden. damn damn damn, now i wanna partay!!
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