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nationals10
Joined: 27 May 2009
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 Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:45 am Post subject: What does it mean by 3 'consecutive' sick days? |
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I work at SMOE,
I thought I don't need to submit doctor's note
if I haven't missed work for 3 consecutive days
not including the weekend.
However my school is requesting a doctor's note
Should I provide one in this case
or go by the contract (and not provide one,
because I haven't missed work for 3 consetive days in this case)? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Did you miss three work days separated by the weekend? If so, supply the note.
Did you only miss two days, or did you go to school somewhere in amongst the three days you missed? If so, don't supply the note.
At least this is what I'd do; still, wait for someone who actually knows about SMOE to chime in  |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:13 am Post subject: |
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I work at SMOE,
I thought I don't need to submit doctor's note
if I haven't missed work for 3 consecutive days
not including the weekend.
However my school is requesting a doctor's note
Should I provide one in this case
or go by the contract (and not provide one,
because I haven't missed work for 3 consetive days in this case)? |
Yes you should give them one. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| At least this is what I'd do; still, wait for someone who actually knows about SMOE to chime in |
Although they have a SMOE contract they work for their school - if the Principal has asked for a sick note, it's just easier for EVERYONE if the OP just does it!
Just do it!
The school may 'back down' but they'll get their pound of flesh another way 1 week or 10 months down the road...... |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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My contract states "When the Employee takes a sick leave for more than three(3) consecutive days (excluding a national holiday, Saturday and Sunday), the Employee shall submit a practicing doctor's medical report to the Employer. "
Check you contract. Under mine, you don't need a note. Just say you didn't see a doctor.
WRT Lucas's statement:
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| At least this is what I'd do; still, wait for someone who actually knows about SMOE to chime in |
Although they have a SMOE contract they work for their school - if the Principal has asked for a sick note, it's just easier for EVERYONE if the OP just does it!
Just do it!
The school may 'back down' but they'll get their pound of flesh another way 1 week or 10 months down the road...... |
I totally disagree. When one person starts to do things outside of the contract it is bad for everyone else, because it shows that the principal can disregard the contract when he wants, and he expects the NET to follow.
The teacher before me worked over the contract hours for no compensation. When I arrived they expected me to do the same. So that started relations on a bad footing because the last person didn't follow the contract. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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I totally disagree. When one person starts to do things outside of the contract it is bad for everyone else, because it shows that the principal can disregard the contract when he wants, and he expects the NET to follow.
The teacher before me worked over the contract hours for no compensation. When I arrived they expected me to do the same. So that started relations on a bad footing because the last person didn't follow the contract. |
But that cuts both ways.
The bottom line is that most Principals (and Korean teachers in general) think that taking 'sick' days is unacceptable.
Generally this does not happen, so when a foreign teacher does it, it looks suspicious (unless you are visibly broken).
They think you are faking it (coz proportionally speaking LOTS of foreign teachers do fain sickness).
But my contract says......................
You might win the battle OP but you will not win the war! |
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Dalton
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Follow the contract.
Most problems if not all problems in Korea are due to the school or hogwon ignoring the contract at their pleasure. If you allow this you will suffer. It will just show the principle that you are the wimp or sucker than he can abuse at will. The other teachers at your school will not like you for this. You will be abused and friendless. Worst case scenario of course. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Follow the contract.
Most problems if not all problems in Korea are due to the school or hogwon ignoring the contract at their pleasure. If you allow this you will suffer. It will just show the principle that you are the wimp or sucker than he can abuse at will. The other teachers at your school will not like you for this. You will be abused and friendless. Worst case scenario of course. |
This is absolutely true.
You won't win either way. If your school is anal about it, it's best to stick to your guns and make them think twice before attempting something similar in the future. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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Long term vs Short term.
If you fancy keeping your job there for another contract - get a sick note. If you are leaving after this current contract - point out the paragraph in your contract. Depends what you want out of it in the end. They will back off if you point it out in the contract but you won't be getting renewed. |
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dbswjdgh27
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
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For me understanding both Koreans and Americans (gyopo).
it depends how you took the sick days. and if you gave them adequate notice such as you woke up 9:00-12, called one of the managers, told them how you feel, and you may need to go see a doctor.
If i were a manager in the above situation i would completely understand... you feel like shit and you're taking the appropriate actions to get well and start work again.
This would have probably been the best route in any situation.
If you are in this situation and:
a) you went to go see a doctor. AND YOU FOLLOWING EVERYTHING THE CONTRACT SAYS. politely say," my contract states i don't have to provide a doctors not if i'm only sick for three consecutive days."
b)you went to go see a doctor. AND YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING EVERYTHING THE CONTRACT SAYS. just say," I'll get you a note as soon as possible." and run your ass to the doctor you went to ASAP. if you don't they will fire you before you contract ends and say you have not been following your duties( because you haven't). thus releasing the burden of having to pay you your severence pay
c) you didn't go to see the doctor. AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING EVERYTHING IN THE CONTRACT. just say "i tried to go see a doctor but i was in too much pain and couldn't get out of bed. i tried caliing 911 but they would only talk in ENGLISH. so i couldn't get any help. so i just stayed home. (make up some brilliant excuse something they can't say shit about.)
my friends couldn't help me etc etc. i was thinking about asking one of the managers for help but i thought it would be too much of a burden for you. make them feel sorry for you and say you'll make sure you go see a doctor one way or another and say you're sorry.
d) THIS IS THE SITUATION YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN
YOU DIDN'T GO SEE THE DOCTOR. YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE CONTRACT... JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH. SAY YOUR SORRY AND JUST EXPECT TO GET FIRED. BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS KIND OF SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
but lets say you start work at 2:00pm and you called them at 3:18 or something and said i can't go into work. i'm sick. then from a managers perspective this sounds fishy. the manager probably would have told you to go see a doctor with their shitty uncomprehendable english.
If i were a manager in this situation i would think damn... i wish he would have told me sooner. now i have to find some other teachers to fill in for him and explain to the other teachers what's happening. maybe he was drinking last night and he just woke up from his hangover. I not only have to prepare for my class organize whats coming up... so forth and so forth. |
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