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Do You Fit The Expat Mould?
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FDNY



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Do You Fit The Expat Mould? Reply with quote

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/blogs/the-backpacker/what-we-could-all-learn-from-expats-20130711-2psde.html

What we could all learn from expats

Want to make friends? Move to another country. Maybe somewhere third world.
There you might meet a few of the locals who will eventually enter your social circle, but the most likely event is that you will end up with a large group of some of the best friends you've ever had, and they'll all be fellow expats. This process will take about a week.
There's a refreshing lack of pretension among expat communities.

Expats, in general, are friendly. They want to meet you, and know your story. They're fun to be around. They're people who "do" rather than plan.
I've never lived long enough in another country to think of myself as an expat. I have, however, hung out with plenty of expat communities in countries around the world, and I've seen a similar theme in the people I've met. They share certain traits that anyone would do well to take on.
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Expats tend to be adventurous, to be risk-takers. After all, they've already left their friends, their homes, their comfort zones and probably most of their possessions in another country to begin a new life abroad. That takes guts. It's only a certain type of person who'll do that.
So the ones you meet living overseas are the ones who are prepared to take a punt on things working out for the best. They'll jump in the back of that tuk-tuk. They'll eat at that restaurant. They'll board that boat.
This attitude to "doing" things is pretty likeable. It's rare you'll find an expat who sits around talking about all the things they'd love to do, without actually making it happen. People who've gone to live overseas are the type to just do it, to stop all of the planning and the wondering and just take things on.
Another thing you notice about expats is that, regardless of the fact that they might have been living in their adopted country for five, or 10, or 20 years, and that they're holding down full-time jobs, and have maybe even started a family, they still seem to live life as though they're on a permanent holiday.
They're out most nights of the week, socialising, hanging out with friends. They're going to restaurants and bars and living it up. They're still travelling, too, going off on weekends away to other parts of the country, or to neighbouring countries. There's always the sense that money doesn't matter so much – it's more about how much you enjoy yourself, how much you see.
There's no reason why everyone can't live like that, why you can't treat your own city like a holiday destination. But people rarely do it. Masterchef is on.
Expats are incredibly friendly, and open to new people. There are no "set" groups of friends – they'll take anyone in. I was in Seoul for a couple of days before I'd been invited to play in a football team and go drink beers afterwards at the pub. I was in Dubai for about six hours before I'd been taken out by complete strangers and shown a good time.
There's a refreshing lack of pretension among expat communities. There's very little of the "where did you go to school" snobbery. Admittedly that's occasionally replaced with "what are you doing here" snobbery (English teachers to the back of the queue), but in general no one cares where you came from, or which school you went to, or who you worked for back home. You're here now, everything's different.
Capital cities in Australia can be pretty cliquey places, where everyone already has their mates and they're not much interested in finding any more. For expats, however, there's a constant revolving world of friends as old mates move out of your life and new people appear. It creates a culture of openness.
Strangely, I found that the more dangerous a country is, the friendlier its expat population will be. Maybe that's just a numbers thing – with fewer expats around they're still a novelty. There's not the "just another Aussie" thing you might find in, say, London.
Regardless of where you go, however, if you do decide to move overseas you'll always make friends, probably with some very interesting, friendly, dynamic people. People from whom we could learn a thing or two.
Have you been an expat? Or spend time in expat communities? Are they friendly and open, or no different to anyone else?
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think not all expat communities are equal. I've heard that the countries with the larger expat scenes like Hong Kong and Singapore are quite fractured.
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byrddogs



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above poster to a point. That point is that they are not equal. The expat scene here in Shanghai is quite different from what I experienced in Seoul.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the 3D workers from South and South Asia in Korea consider themselves to be "expats", too?

They'd probably define themselves as 'migrant laborers'.

'Expat' is generally a term used to denote skilled, high income professionals sent overseas by their home countries.


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There's a refreshing lack of pretension among expat communities.


The author should meet a few of the "professors" in Korea... not really a case study in pretension so much as a case study in fruit-cakes.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
I think not all expat communities are equal. I've heard that the countries with the larger expat scenes like Hong Kong and Singapore are quite fractured.


What do you expect.

You think the foreign CEO of a multi national who makes a million plus a year has anything in common socially or economically with a Filipina domestic worker or some English teacher?
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
Yaya wrote:
I think not all expat communities are equal. I've heard that the countries with the larger expat scenes like Hong Kong and Singapore are quite fractured.


What do you expect.

You think the foreign CEO of a multi national who makes a million plus a year has anything in common socially or economically with a Filipina domestic worker or some English teacher?


Never said that, but I've noticed that expats are easier to talk to regardless of status in Korea and developing countries as opposed to the more modernized places.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Never said that, but I've noticed that expats are easier to talk to regardless of status in Korea and developing countries as opposed to the more modernized places.



I would say Seoul is very modern; I wouldn't describe it as developing.

Other than ESL teachers and GIs, how many other foreigners do you know?

The numbers of non-military, non-education related western foreigners is very small in Korea, certainly much smaller than in any of the major banking centers.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
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Never said that, but I've noticed that expats are easier to talk to regardless of status in Korea and developing countries as opposed to the more modernized places.



I would say Seoul is very modern; I wouldn't describe it as developing.

Other than ESL teachers and GIs, how many other foreigners do you know?

The numbers of non-military, non-education related western foreigners is very small in Korea, certainly much smaller than in any of the major banking centers.


Korea remains a developing nation despite its OECD membership (Singapore isn't a member but is leagues ahead of Korea in economy). Who knows, Korea might one day be the country that it already thinks it is.

You also need to get out more. The number of non-teaching expats in Korea has grown by leaps and bounds, though still a far cry from those of Singapore and Hong Kong. The difference is that the non-teachers tend to make more and thus hang out at different spots and stuff. Ulsan has a high concentration of expats who are biz consultants, not teachers.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:


Korea remains a developing nation despite its OECD membership (Singapore isn't a member but is leagues ahead of Korea in economy). Who knows, Korea might one day be the country that it already thinks it is.

You also need to get out more. The number of non-teaching expats in Korea has grown by leaps and bounds, though still a far cry from those of Singapore and Hong Kong. The difference is that the non-teachers tend to make more and thus hang out at different spots and stuff. Ulsan has a high concentration of expats who are biz consultants, not teachers.



Well, the FTSE has classified Korea as a "developed nation".

I guess it depends on whose metrics you use.

Never been to Ulsan. I assume since it's a port city it has a lot of foreigners involved in the shipping industry.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
Yaya wrote:


Korea remains a developing nation despite its OECD membership (Singapore isn't a member but is leagues ahead of Korea in economy). Who knows, Korea might one day be the country that it already thinks it is.

You also need to get out more. The number of non-teaching expats in Korea has grown by leaps and bounds, though still a far cry from those of Singapore and Hong Kong. The difference is that the non-teachers tend to make more and thus hang out at different spots and stuff. Ulsan has a high concentration of expats who are biz consultants, not teachers.



Well, the FTSE has classified Korea as a "developed nation".

I guess it depends on whose metrics you use.

Never been to Ulsan. I assume since it's a port city it has a lot of foreigners involved in the shipping industry.


Many say Korea has Third World ethics and practices, and I can't argue against that. I also remember The Economist saying in the 1990s that because most Korean men learn taekwondo while doing their military service, Korea is home to the most vicious barroom brawls in the world. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The expat community in Korea is fractured too. It has several sub-groups. Some friendly and open, some...not so much!
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
The expat community in Korea is fractured too. It has several sub-groups. Some friendly and open, some...not so much!



Hmmmm...

Let me speculate:

Juicy Bar Girls: Very friendly and open... for $20 a drink.

I'll let others chime in the various other groups and sub-groups.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
The expat community in Korea is fractured too. It has several sub-groups. Some friendly and open, some...not so much!



Hmmmm...

Let me speculate:

Juicy Bar Girls: Very friendly and open... for $20 a drink.

I'll let others chime in the various other groups and sub-groups.


I did say the expat community right?

This is what this thread is discussion no?
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Gorf



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the contrary to the Korean expat community (of teachers at least) I found the Japanese community to be very isolationist. This might just be my experience, but I've found the almost all of the expats I've met in Japan have been weeaboos to the point that they avoid talking to other foreigners and only want to have Japanese friends. Korea seems to have a much tighter knit foreign community, but I think that's because many in Korea see it as a one or two year money grab, whereas people in Japan are trying to integrate and throw down roots. Just my observation.
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Threequalseven



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Do You Fit The Expat Mould? Reply with quote

FDNY wrote:
There's a refreshing lack of pretension among expat communities.

I wouldn't necessarily get that impression from reading this forum.
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