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saram_
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:07 am Post subject: The Itaewon Homicide Case 1997- Another twist in the Saga! |
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The wheels keep turning..
So back before most of us were here - 1997 or thereabouts there was a homocide committed in Itaewon.
A member of staff of a Burger King joint ( now that big coffee shop above the coldstone ice cream shop) was murdered as he was cleaning the bathroom area.
There was a movie about this incident released there a couple of years ago at this stage.. Itaewon Murder I believe was the name.
Anyway- somehow the main suspect got away with it for a long time and no one was ever convicted for the brutal unprovoked attack.
A court ruling in the US squashed an appeal by the main suspect to be extradited back to Korea.
He has appealed again and can do so 3 times so they aren't sure yet if or exactly if he ll be coming back to Korea but it doesn't look good for him thankfully..
Here is the news story-
http://m.yna.co.kr/mob2/en/contents_en.jsp?cid=AEN20130811002400315&domain=3&ctype=A&site=0300000000
I am not sure exactly when the Burher King place closed down but I know I was in there a few times.. Hopefully the family of the murdered college student will get some kind of justice.. |
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optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:20 am Post subject: |
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I never understood the motive. Having a party, go to BK and get some burgers, randomly stab someone and then just leave. I guess some people are just crazy. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:32 am Post subject: |
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My question is why can't they bring the evidence to the US and try him in the USA. The evidence may be strong but he has to get a fair trial in Korea the way he would get a fair trial in the US and I don't know if that would happen. Can you imagine finding an impartial jury in Korea? Do they even use the jury system? Do they require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and are Koreans raised to even consider something like that in any way? I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
My question is why can't they bring the evidence to the US and try him in the USA. The evidence may be strong but he has to get a fair trial in Korea the way he would get a fair trial in the US and I don't know if that would happen. Can you imagine finding an impartial jury in Korea? Do they even use the jury system? Do they require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and are Koreans raised to even consider something like that in any way? I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
I can only assume you are trolling and not that oblivious to the law and what the repercussions would be if the world operated in the manner you have suggested. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: |
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there was a homocide committed |
He was killed because he was gay? |
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andrewchon

Joined: 16 Nov 2008 Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
My question is why can't they bring the evidence to the US and try him in the USA. The evidence may be strong but he has to get a fair trial in Korea the way he would get a fair trial in the US and I don't know if that would happen. Can you imagine finding an impartial jury in Korea? Do they even use the jury system? Do they require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and are Koreans raised to even consider something like that in any way? I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
You watch too much TV.
What you "imagine" to be fair trials are "unfair" trials. There hasn't been a fair trial for ages. However, if your wish is a US style unfair trial, start writing the script, pronto.  |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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For you law school dropouts, the murder took place in Korea so Korean law was broken.
So the trial takes place in a Korean court with Korean judges and prosecutors.
The suspect initially got away with it because of many factors, none of them good, and he's been living it up in the U.S.A. Korean prosecutors took a new look at the case after a Korean movie revisited the case. The prosecutors filed to have him brought back to Korea for a new trial. Sending him back is called "extradition", and countries sign treaties to do it in a legal way, guaranteeing a hearing in front of a judge in the U.S.A. The judge heard the evidence from the Korean prosecutors and decided there's enough evidence for a trial. He appealed and that appeal was denied. That's where we are now.
FWIW don't blame the American judicial system for this mess. The original foulup in this case is on the Korean prosecutors and police. The U.S.A. is cooperating under the terms of the extradition treaty it has with Korea but everyone agrees that the extradition process is too slow and doesn't cover enough crimes. Another article about the case does mention those problems-
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/08/116_140892.html
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Experts say that the murder case is testing the relationship between Korea and the U.S.
The two have been discussing how to reduce crimes and implement strict punishment, but experts say there is still a long way to go in establishing a fair relationship between the two countries.
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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War Eagle wrote: |
young_clinton wrote: |
My question is why can't they bring the evidence to the US and try him in the USA. The evidence may be strong but he has to get a fair trial in Korea the way he would get a fair trial in the US and I don't know if that would happen. Can you imagine finding an impartial jury in Korea? Do they even use the jury system? Do they require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and are Koreans raised to even consider something like that in any way? I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
I can only assume you are trolling and not that oblivious to the law and what the repercussions would be if the world operated in the manner you have suggested. |
Not trolling, just lacking in brains. |
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rkc76sf
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know why Korea would want a scumbag like him in their country, prisons, spending Korean tax dollars all for "justice". But it's fine with me, one less dirtbag roaming the streets of America. We'll see if he gets the same penalty as Kenneth Markle- death sentence reduced to life in prison reduced to 20 years for paying money to the victim's family paroled after 12 years. Death penalty reduced to 12 years, hmmm. |
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andrewchon

Joined: 16 Nov 2008 Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Shouldn't there be some warning about disturbing images before you enter a blog?  |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:45 am Post subject: |
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This is from the "bad old days" when Koreans blamed the USA for everything when, in fact, the Korean CJ system fouled it up. Because there's an extradition treaty the Korean CJ system will get a second chance to do what should have been done in 1997, and that's convict and punish the guilty party for a murder. There's no "crime of passion or in the heat of an argument" excuse for a random murder. It was a "random thrill kill" and those are so disturbing. Hopefully they'll get it right this time, but with criminal trials you just never know.
It's just a shame they don't have the death penalty in Korea. They should let that mother pull the switch for her loss. If anyone in your family had ever been murdered you'd want the same justice. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:00 am Post subject: |
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War Eagle wrote: |
young_clinton wrote: |
My question is why can't they bring the evidence to the US and try him in the USA. The evidence may be strong but he has to get a fair trial in Korea the way he would get a fair trial in the US and I don't know if that would happen. Can you imagine finding an impartial jury in Korea? Do they even use the jury system? Do they require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and are Koreans raised to even consider something like that in any way? I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
I can only assume you are trolling and not that oblivious to the law and what the repercussions would be if the world operated in the manner you have suggested. |
This almost sounds like Dodge again. Yes, I know that you are a person entitled to more respect than any one else and will come online and do or say anything to express that inner feeling you have about yourself. Actually Dodge was particularly aggressive about other's opinions about World politics that didn't match his views provided by superior innate abilities (from God). Anybody wonder if this is a Dodge sock? |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like the Korean guy was the idiot for going into a minority-packed ghetto in the first place.
If someone walked into Harlem and got raped/killed would anyone be surprised? |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:12 am Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
War Eagle wrote: |
young_clinton wrote: |
My question is why can't they bring the evidence to the US and try him in the USA. The evidence may be strong but he has to get a fair trial in Korea the way he would get a fair trial in the US and I don't know if that would happen. Can you imagine finding an impartial jury in Korea? Do they even use the jury system? Do they require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and are Koreans raised to even consider something like that in any way? I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
I can only assume you are trolling and not that oblivious to the law and what the repercussions would be if the world operated in the manner you have suggested. |
This almost sounds like Dodge again. Yes, I know that you are a person entitled to more respect than any one else and will come online and do or say anything to express that inner feeling you have about yourself. Actually Dodge was particularly aggressive about other's opinions about World politics that didn't match his views provided by superior innate abilities (from God). Anybody wonder if this is a Dodge sock? |
Really? I honestly thought you were trolling for a laugh. I really didn't think you actually thought that, because, well, how can I put this without sounding like I am being "aggressive" towards your opinions about "world politics"....?
Let's say a Middle-eastern guy pays a visit to your home country, then decides to rape your mother/sister/wife/girlfriend. You want to then send him back to his home country so they can decide his fate: a slap on the wrist because she must have done something to deserve it. (I know not all middle-eastern countries operate in this manner.) In fact, we should have just sent the 9/11 terrorists home to receive their punishment.
Or are you merely saying that we should try all cases in the US because the rest of the world is too stupid and racist to give someone a fair trial?
EDIT: And you need to take a really good look in the mirror. When you make statements like
young_clinton wrote: |
I think I sense the "A foriegner in Korea gets has to completely accept the laws and customs of Korea" group coming here soon. "And if doesn't want to go back and face 'Korean justice' he shouldn't have been there in the first place"  |
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that is being aggressive about others' opinions, Mr. Pot-Calling-the-Kettle-Black. In fact, one could argue you were enticing others into an argument, then condemning them when they respond with a rebuttle. That's childish and kinda bully-ish. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Died By Bear wrote: |
Not trolling, just lacking in brains. |
Why is that so many people who contribute absolutely nothing to this site but insults are allowed to remain? In your case why didn't they delete the dupe. The complete dupe. |
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