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nickojan



Joined: 15 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Coming to Korea with small children Reply with quote

Apologies if this question was already answered.

I would like to hear from anyone who came to Korea with small children.

Me and my wife both taught in Korea before but without children.We miss it a lot but we are wondering about the practicalities when you come over with children.

Anybody with advice especially if you have small children and you are already working in Korea. It would be highly appreciated. And please be very honest. Here are the main questions I have.

Do you both work?
How much does childcare cost?
Was the visa process difficult for the children?

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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say - assuming neither of you speaks Korean to mid-advanced level that coming to Korea with a small child would be a problem.

Sure one of you could work mornings whilst the other works evenings (maybe) but then you'll never see each other!

Or you can stick your kid in childcare (if that's even possible) with you both being foreign....But what happens if there is a problem?

How will they communicate with you?
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IPayInCash



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youre doing child a huge disservice by sticking him/her in that situation and hindering their chances at a better life in their home countries. All for your personal benefit. Pretty selfish move to be honest.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Coming to Korea with small children Reply with quote

nickojan wrote:
Apologies if this question was already answered.

I would like to hear from anyone who came to Korea with small children.

Anybody with advice especially if you have small children and you are already working in Korea. It would be highly appreciated. And please be very honest. Here are the main questions I have.


Quote:
Do you both work?


With both parents working, some kind of child care will be a must. There are programs that offer English assisted care for young children, but you will have to do your homework to make sure you are not being scammed by some provider thinking to make a quick buck off of you and then cut you loose.

Quote:
How much does childcare cost?


You will be looking at costs around 300,000 - 400,000 KRW per month per child depending on the type of day care you are looking for. There are some good programs available, but they come at a cost.

Quote:
Was the visa process difficult for the children?


The visa process for children or other family members is not that difficult. Your children will be on F3 visas as your dependents. Adults on F3 visas are not legally allowed to work, and this visa covers young children as well.

Hope this helps a little.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do know there are some here with kids. Most of them seem to be South Africans, but have met some Americans and others who are here with kids. I do know one family where the woman works for public school and the husband stays home with the kids. She put her kids in pre school in a public school and got them in for free or a big discount. In return she volunteered at the pre school once or twice a week. If the kids are really young, put them in day care and in a few months to a year, they will pick up Korean quickly and be able to have a life here. A rural area public school may be the place to go as they may be less discriminating. If you both can work for public school, even better, but you'd have to arrange care pretty quickly. Temporarily pay for child care until you can work out a deal with a local elementary school or two.

If the kids are too old they may not pick up Korean and have a hard time here. I'd only suggest it if the kids are 2 to 4 years old. Contact a recruiter who works with different provincial offices directly. Good luck.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your kids can get a couple of years Korean langauge practice as a toddler or very young child, you can prob stay and send them to early elementary school for a couple of years too before going home.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many kids might make a difference.

I worked at a PS job when our daughter was younger (landed a consulting job with the government a couple years ago and moved out of the classroom).

Our daughter went to the KG that was attached to the elementary school.
My wife (not Korean) didn't need to work.

Visas were a non issue. For someone on an E2 it is a simple matter to get an F3 for your dependents (just show proof of family relationship (marriage and birth certificates), fill in the application and pay the fee).

You can ignore a large number of the posters on here. Most of them are not married and don't have kids.

Of those who are and do have kids the majority are married to Koreans so the situation is a bit different than a foreign kid with both foreign parents.

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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IPayInCash wrote:
Youre doing child a huge disservice by sticking him/her in that situation and hindering their chances at a better life in their home countries. All for your personal benefit. Pretty selfish move to be honest.

Don't listen to Captain Negativity here. I've made really good friends with an American couple here with a kiddo. One of them works at a hagwon and the other one is not employed for their own reasons. Their daughter just turned 3. She goes to a daycare for part of the day and it's all in Korean. From what I can tell, it seems just fine. She even speaks in Korean now and then. So there's no need to go to an all English speaking daycare, unless you really want to.

Their only real gripes are money and space. Money because of the one-income thing, which still works since they don't go out much. And space because their apartment is tiny for all three of them. It seems like they leave town every weekend just to escape. So that's something to consider. It might be tricky to find a job with a housing allowance, but it would probably be worth it if you could. Also, like another poster said, if your kids learn Korean, they could even go to school here. Anyway, it sounds like after this couple finishes their year here, they're looking at China. It's all around less restrictive in terms of where you can live, where you can work, and so on.

So some questions you may ask are: Are you comfortable with your living arrangements coming down to chance? If not, you may have more options in China. Are you planning on staying for multiple years? If so, are your kids capable of learning Korean or would you need to shell out for an international school? Do you both want to work? You could live frugally off just one income. That's all I can think of for now. Best of luck whatever you decide.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what ttom said OP...you should really ignore a lot of what was posted here as many of the posters have no kids.

Tob55's post was also great.

My experience living in Korea with small children would only be partially useful to you as my wife is Korean but still, I will try to help you if I can.

The visa process for your kids should be pretty easy as they will be issued dependent visas unless that has changed.

If you both work then daycare is the option or if one of you works at a Hakwon that offers kindergarten that might be an option too.

I know of one couple (both westerners) in Daegu who both work and have one 5 year old daughter (she is 5 now). The mother works at a Hakwon and takes her with her in the morning to attend kindergarten (free).

That is one potential option.

Daycares are another but the language barrier may be an issue.
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yodanole



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any experience with having my own kids in Korea. I do, however, well remember my colleague with his 5 year old daughter. It wasn't pretty to start and went nowhere but downhill from there. The little girl was eventually shipped back to Grandmother in Canada. The last time I saw my co-worker he had a Korean wife and a couple of school age kids, neither of which were the original child in question. That was when there were still Wlamarts in Korea, so it's been a while. She would be about 23 by now.

I want to stress that this was a single father situation, so probably has no bearing on the OP's situation. I only relate this cautionary tale to illustrate that that particular situation appeared to me to be nearly insurmountable.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My experience living in Korea with small children would only be partially useful to you as my wife is Korean but still, I will try to help you if I can.


You cannot compare, living here with a K wife to moving here with a kid and no one being able to speak Korean!

You are going to have to rely on others to help you out. Which may/may not end welll....

Right - gloves off:

OP - you said you've been to Korea before, now you're back home.

Do you have a secure well paid job (by that I mean one that pays enough to support you all) back home in (America?)

Although you both 'miss' Korea how long do you plan to stay here for? At some point you're going to have to return home and then you'll be back to square one again (unless you do a distant learning education course or something like that) which would enable you to teach in your home country.

If you're planning on doing this - go for it!

If you're just going to come here, live in a box house, eat rice and kimchi whilst trying to save 1-2 million won every month and set out a plan of action for you to follow through with your savings when you go home - again, I'd say go for it.

But if you're planning on 'winging' it and just seeing 'what will happen' - I'd say you need a slap in the face!

You have a kid now - they are no. 1 Exclamation
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radcon



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious. As a married western couple with Korea experience pre-child, what exactly do you "miss' about Korea?
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nickojan



Joined: 15 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the replies. Did not expect so many. We will take all the advice and comments into consideration.

This is not something we have to do. It is something we want to do. We will however not do it if we don't feel really comfortable that it will work out well for the whole family.

Thanks again.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucas wrote:
Quote:
My experience living in Korea with small children would only be partially useful to you as my wife is Korean but still, I will try to help you if I can.


You cannot compare, living here with a K wife to moving here with a kid and no one being able to speak Korean!

You are going to have to rely on others to help you out. Which may/may not end welll....

Right - gloves off:

OP - you said you've been to Korea before, now you're back home.

Do you have a secure well paid job (by that I mean one that pays enough to support you all) back home in (America?)

Although you both 'miss' Korea how long do you plan to stay here for? At some point you're going to have to return home and then you'll be back to square one again (unless you do a distant learning education course or something like that) which would enable you to teach in your home country.

If you're planning on doing this - go for it!

If you're just going to come here, live in a box house, eat rice and kimchi whilst trying to save 1-2 million won every month and set out a plan of action for you to follow through with your savings when you go home - again, I'd say go for it.

But if you're planning on 'winging' it and just seeing 'what will happen' - I'd say you need a slap in the face!

You have a kid now - they are no. 1 Exclamation


Hence my post said my situation was only partially relevant Lucas. I just tried to provide some options based on what I know as a parent and on the experience of other western parents I know in Korea.

It may not work but these are just options.

I think that a western couple CAN do well in Korea with their kids but that this requires some planning and preparation.

To be sure the language barrier can be a problem initially. However this can be solved or minimized.

If both parents do work then the challenge becomes daycare and / or school depending on the age of the children. With that comes the issue of cost.

Working a Hakwon that offers kindergarten can be a viable option as your kids could attend for free.

As for the language issue, there are international schools that offer english language education but those can be costly. Then again, if you get hired by such a school, typically your kids attend for free.

For daycare aged kids it can be more daunting due to language.

I agree completely with Lucas on one point: this kind of move needs to planned well in advance and some sort of "exit strategy" needs to be considered to for when its time to return home.
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with ttompatz. His advice/experience is relevant to the question.

ttompatz wrote:
How many kids might make a difference.

I worked at a PS job when our daughter was younger (landed a consulting job with the government a couple years ago and moved out of the classroom).

Our daughter went to the KG that was attached to the elementary school.
My wife (not Korean) didn't need to work.

Visas were a non issue. For someone on an E2 it is a simple matter to get an F3 for your dependents (just show proof of family relationship (marriage and birth certificates), fill in the application and pay the fee).

You can ignore a large number of the posters on here. Most of them are not married and don't have kids.

Of those who are and do have kids the majority are married to Koreans so the situation is a bit different than a foreign kid with both foreign parents.

.


These in the second category, especially those that have been out of country for ages, should be ignored as well.
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