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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Why make makgeolli sweet? Reply with quote

Of all I have tried, one of the best I know is 김포금쌀. It is just mildly sweet, and the sweetness comes only from the rice. Its taste reminds me of Japanese nigori sake, which also is not very sweet.

In Japan, nigori sake is the sweetest of all. Why do Korean 막걸리 makers insist on their product being sweet (usually by artificial additive) ?

Back in the US, an ajumma who worked at a restaurant I visited told me that Korean people do not often like very sweet foods. I thought, cool, me too. But when I first came here a couple years ago, I was surprised that the 막걸리 is sweetened.
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yodanole



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're asking this about a nation that adds sugar to Cheetos?
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traditionally since the Chosun dynasty people have drunken makgeolli within a day or two like the common millet beer in Nepal. And for the people who don't know their food chemistry, beer made from barley and without hop tastes very sweet.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yodanole wrote:
You're asking this about a nation that adds sugar to Cheetos?


I know what you mean, and I don't understand that either, but this is a very traditional drink in Korea. I don't know if you know many Korean people, but it is used in formal ceremonies. I have seen many pictures of fruits or pig's heads next to artificially sweetened makgeolli.

For me, at first I thought the plastic instead of traditional glass was weird, but then I got past that and just didn't understand the added sweeteners (especially aspartame) And I still don't.
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Jake_Kim



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the Japs invaded and took over Korea, mashbill for brewing would have been predominantly rice plus some small wheat dough containing certain fungi and yeast.
Under the Japanese occupation, traditional brewing got taken over and out largely by the more efficient, industrialized process of making Sake and Soju, whose production being heavily modified by Japanese influence.
Then the end of WW2 led to the division of the peninsula, which led to Korean War in just 5 years, agricultural base of the whole country collapsed during this 3-year war.
Nationwide famine was the norm with the shortage of rice, and what remained available from foreign aid materials were wheat flours. So, brewers got hold of this ingredient, went ahead and produced wheat Makgeolli, yet it tasted so sour.
What they did have back then, as opposed to properly processed sugar that was rare and unaffordable, was saccharine, the artificial sweetener.
Accordingly, the Makgeolli as older generation of Koreans know it was born, which gives a bitter and sour, yeasty unfiltered taste only to be masked by the artificial sweet taste of Diet Coke.
Even after the 80s, when the mashbill started to transition back to rice, consumers' adherence to artificially sweet taste was persistent and market-proven. It was so even when they never demanded such sweetness from Makgeolli's western counterpart, beer.
A couple of local brewers, Grand Master Song Myeong-seop, for example, refuses to add any flavor or sweetener to his Makgeolli, thus making it to retain its bitterness and mild acidity. Yet most of the first-time Korean consumers respond to the taste by, say, 'WTF is this?'
That's because Song's Makgeolli is on one 'purist' end of the spectrum, while the other end of which is represented by the largest selling '서울장수(Seoul Jangsu)' brand that yearns to become some rice-y milky soda of yesteryear by sticking with the core customer group - lower-to-lower-middle classes' middle-aged men in their 50s/60s.
There are efforts and new ideas experimented by some latecomer 'craftbrewers' of Makgeolli out there, but the overall market is still too thin, and they're still far from establishing the economy of scale on their own.
The fact that unpasteurized Makgeolli has very, very short window of 'Best before' period doesn't help local start-ups either.
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javis



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake_Kim wrote:
Before the Japs invaded and took over Korea, mashbill for brewing would have been predominantly rice plus some small wheat dough containing certain fungi and yeast.
Under the Japanese occupation, traditional brewing got taken over and out largely by the more efficient, industrialized process of making Sake and Soju, whose production being heavily modified by Japanese influence.
Then the end of WW2 led to the division of the peninsula, which led to Korean War in just 5 years, agricultural base of the whole country collapsed during this 3-year war.
Nationwide famine was the norm with the shortage of rice, and what remained available from foreign aid materials were wheat flours. So, brewers got hold of this ingredient, went ahead and produced wheat Makgeolli, yet it tasted so sour.
What they did have back then, as opposed to properly processed sugar that was rare and unaffordable, was saccharine, the artificial sweetener.
Accordingly, the Makgeolli as older generation of Koreans know it was born, which gives a bitter and sour, yeasty unfiltered taste only to be masked by the artificial sweet taste of Diet Coke.
Even after the 80s, when the mashbill started to transition back to rice, consumers' adherence to artificially sweet taste was persistent and market-proven. It was so even when they never demanded such sweetness from Makgeolli's western counterpart, beer.
A couple of local brewers, Grand Master Song Myeong-seop, for example, refuses to add any flavor or sweetener to his Makgeolli, thus making it to retain its bitterness and mild acidity. Yet most of the first-time Korean consumers respond to the taste by, say, 'WTF is this?'
That's because Song's Makgeolli is on one 'purist' end of the spectrum, while the other end of which is represented by the largest selling '서울장수(Seoul Jangsu)' brand that yearns to become some rice-y milky soda of yesteryear by sticking with the core customer group - lower-to-lower-middle classes' middle-aged men in their 50s/60s.
There are efforts and new ideas experimented by some latecomer 'craftbrewers' of Makgeolli out there, but the overall market is still too thin, and they're still far from establishing the economy of scale on their own.
The fact that unpasteurized Makgeolli has very, very short window of 'Best before' period doesn't help local start-ups either.


Thanks for the very informative post!
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IPayInCash



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Why make makgeolli sweet? Reply with quote

DanseurVertical wrote:

Back in the US, an ajumma who worked at a restaurant I visited told me that Korean people do not often like very sweet foods.


Really? I find this very hard to believe. A LOT of Korean food is spicy and a little sweet. Yangnyeom chicken and a ton of other foods are spicy and a little sweet. Yea cheetos, and tons of other snacks in the grocery stores.
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R. S. Refugee



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yodanole wrote:
You're asking this about a nation that adds sugar to Cheetos?


And to garlic bread. And to tomato juice.
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yodanole



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make my own garlic bread and tomato juice. Cheetos are more problematic. I sometimes find actual imported Cheetos at Home Plus.

As for the makkoli, I'm not a fan and only drink it if I'm in a "go along to get along" situation, such as the formal ceremonies DV mentions. Or with more "traditional" folks from the countryside.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
Traditionally since the Chosun dynasty people have drunken makgeolli within a day or two like the common millet beer in Nepal. And for the people who don't know their food chemistry, beer made from barley and without hop tastes very sweet.

P1) beer is made from barley
P2) barley (malt) without hops makes sweet beer
P3) beer made from millet (without hops) is consumed in Nepal within a day or two (after fermentation)
P4) traditionally, makgeolli was consumed within a day or two
Therefore, Korean people nowadays prefer sweetened makgeolli.

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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Why make makgeolli sweet? Reply with quote

IPayInCash wrote:
DanseurVertical wrote:

Back in the US, an ajumma who worked at a restaurant I visited told me that Korean people do not often like very sweet foods.


Really? I find this very hard to believe. A LOT of Korean food is spicy and a little sweet. Yangnyeom chicken and a ton of other foods are spicy and a little sweet. Yea cheetos, and tons of other snacks in the grocery stores.

'... and a little sweet'. How is this relevant to what I wrote about Korean people (purportedly) not often liking very sweet foods? Did you actually mean to comment on that quote? Or something else?

To comment further in general, times are changing, and I don't think that woman was aware that more Korean people nowadays do like very sweet foods (like ice cream) Still, my Korean friends consume very sweet foods far more seldom than people I knew back in North America.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

javis wrote:
Jake_Kim wrote:
Before the Japs invaded and took over Korea, mashbill for brewing would have been predominantly rice plus some small wheat dough containing certain fungi and yeast.
Under the Japanese occupation, traditional brewing got taken over and out largely by the more efficient, industrialized process of making Sake and Soju, whose production being heavily modified by Japanese influence.
Then the end of WW2 led to the division of the peninsula, which led to Korean War in just 5 years, agricultural base of the whole country collapsed during this 3-year war.
Nationwide famine was the norm with the shortage of rice, and what remained available from foreign aid materials were wheat flours. So, brewers got hold of this ingredient, went ahead and produced wheat Makgeolli, yet it tasted so sour.
What they did have back then, as opposed to properly processed sugar that was rare and unaffordable, was saccharine, the artificial sweetener.
Accordingly, the Makgeolli as older generation of Koreans know it was born, which gives a bitter and sour, yeasty unfiltered taste only to be masked by the artificial sweet taste of Diet Coke.
Even after the 80s, when the mashbill started to transition back to rice, consumers' adherence to artificially sweet taste was persistent and market-proven. It was so even when they never demanded such sweetness from Makgeolli's western counterpart, beer.
A couple of local brewers, Grand Master Song Myeong-seop, for example, refuses to add any flavor or sweetener to his Makgeolli, thus making it to retain its bitterness and mild acidity. Yet most of the first-time Korean consumers respond to the taste by, say, 'WTF is this?'
That's because Song's Makgeolli is on one 'purist' end of the spectrum, while the other end of which is represented by the largest selling '서울장수(Seoul Jangsu)' brand that yearns to become some rice-y milky soda of yesteryear by sticking with the core customer group - lower-to-lower-middle classes' middle-aged men in their 50s/60s.
There are efforts and new ideas experimented by some latecomer 'craftbrewers' of Makgeolli out there, but the overall market is still too thin, and they're still far from establishing the economy of scale on their own.
The fact that unpasteurized Makgeolli has very, very short window of 'Best before' period doesn't help local start-ups either.


Thanks for the very informative post!

Agreed, this was interesting.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is magkeoli sweet? Because in all likelihood, bitter magkeoli would taste like butt.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Why is magkeoli sweet? Because in all likelihood, bitter magkeoli would taste like butt.

Why do you suppose that makgeolli is naturally bitter?
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jdog2050



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Why is magkeoli sweet? Because in all likelihood, bitter magkeoli would taste like butt.


Actually unsweetened makkeoli is amazing.

There isn't one taste. It's very dependent on the yeast strain and grain used. I've had makkoli that tastes like yogurt, makkoli that was bitter, naturally sweet, fizzy, flat, milky, thick. Huge range. Natural makkeoli is pretty good stuff.
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