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Hatcher
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:20 am Post subject: Why is SNU the best university? |
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So I ask my students, why is SNU the best?
No one knew. |
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globusmonkey
Joined: 19 Aug 2011
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Why is any one university anywhere in the world considered better than another? There's a whole laundry list of criteria that are used in ranking tertiary institutions, such as faculty publishing/fame, accomplishments of alumni, endowment, acceptance/graduation/alumni employment rate, accreditation, cultural significance, etc. You also need to look at what body is giving the "official" rank. In reality, it's often a PR issue. A university becomes renowned over a period of time, for multiple reasons, and it becomes lodged in the collective conscious. Take a look at the university rankings in Korea to see where they come from and if there is a list of qualifications. Then, talk to your students about that information. Everybody learns, everybody wins. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| globusmonkey wrote: |
| Why is any one university anywhere in the world considered better than another? There's a whole laundry list of criteria that are used in ranking tertiary institutions, such as faculty publishing/fame, accomplishments of alumni, endowment, acceptance/graduation/alumni employment rate, accreditation, cultural significance, etc. You also need to look at what body is giving the "official" rank. In reality, it's often a PR issue. A university becomes renowned over a period of time, for multiple reasons, and it becomes lodged in the collective conscious. Take a look at the university rankings in Korea to see where they come from and if there is a list of qualifications. Then, talk to your students about that information. Everybody learns, everybody wins. |
Better yet, check how these universities rank in the world, then notice the names of some of the ones from your own country that are better ranked (good schools, but nothing that would make you waste your childhood in order to ensure that they'd accept your application). |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Why is SNU the best university? |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
So I ask my students, why is SNU the best?
No one knew. |
Who are your students anyway? Are they university graduates? or are they high school juniors, at least? Mothers with children at uni? Most people just know that Seoul is best because they've been sold on the idea. If you want your students to discuss, debate, demonstrate, deride then they need data, ideas, and so on. What do I see here? You asked a vague question and got a vague answer. What's your point?  |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Good answers here
Last edited by happiness on Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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The basic idea is that SNU is the Korean Government's flagship university - the one they founded and support. It is supposed to attract the best students in Korea and have the best faculty.
Of course, these days KAIST is probably ahead of SNU in terms of science. But, it is the same thing. KAIST is a Korean Government project. |
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RobertGR
Joined: 03 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: SKY |
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| Seoul National is the S in SKY. The other two, Korea University and Yonsei, are private. They're older, they're in Seoul, they're well funded. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Just don't let someone put the foolish notion into your head that a top univ. means a top-paying waygook teaching job. There may be the few unique Ph.D exceptions in specific departments, but for English teachers, these schools often suck. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Seoul National University was built by the Japanese and named Keijo Imperial University - Keijo being the Japanese name for Seoul.
It was part of the Teikoku Daigaku sytstem of imperial university that included - Todai (tokyo daigaku), Handai (Osaka University), Kyudai (kyushu daigaku), and several others.
National Taiwan University was also part of the teikoku universities.
You can still see the Japanese style built entrance gates to the campuses and many of the older Japanese built buildings still exist. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Seoul National University was built by the Japanese and named Keijo Imperial University - Keijo being the Japanese name for Seoul.
It was part of the Teikoku Daigaku sytstem of imperial university that included - Todai (tokyo daigaku), Handai (Osaka University), Kyudai (kyushu daigaku), and several others.
National Taiwan University was also part of the teikoku universities.
You can still see the Japanese style built entrance gates to the campuses and many of the older Japanese built buildings still exist. |
Wow... is this admitted-to? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| I'm With You wrote: |
Seoul National University was built by the Japanese and named Keijo Imperial University - Keijo being the Japanese name for Seoul.
It was part of the Teikoku Daigaku sytstem of imperial university that included - Todai (tokyo daigaku), Handai (Osaka University), Kyudai (kyushu daigaku), and several others.
National Taiwan University was also part of the teikoku universities.
You can still see the Japanese style built entrance gates to the campuses and many of the older Japanese built buildings still exist. |
Wow... is this admitted-to? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keij%C5%8D_Imperial_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_National_University |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| I'm With You wrote: |
Seoul National University was built by the Japanese and named Keijo Imperial University - Keijo being the Japanese name for Seoul.
It was part of the Teikoku Daigaku sytstem of imperial university that included - Todai (tokyo daigaku), Handai (Osaka University), Kyudai (kyushu daigaku), and several others.
National Taiwan University was also part of the teikoku universities.
You can still see the Japanese style built entrance gates to the campuses and many of the older Japanese built buildings still exist. |
Wow... is this admitted-to? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keij%C5%8D_Imperial_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_National_University |
I'm more curious if it's something that Koreans are somewhat shamed by, meaning that they sort of bury the idea and just kind of don't talk about it? Wiki isn't exactly coming from the Korean daily angle, but thanks.
Japan founded South Korea's #1 university.
That's right up there with a white man founding black american Muslim militancy, although the truth about Seoul National's roots surprises me less. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| I'm With You wrote: |
Seoul National University was built by the Japanese and named Keijo Imperial University - Keijo being the Japanese name for Seoul.
It was part of the Teikoku Daigaku sytstem of imperial university that included - Todai (tokyo daigaku), Handai (Osaka University), Kyudai (kyushu daigaku), and several others.
National Taiwan University was also part of the teikoku universities.
You can still see the Japanese style built entrance gates to the campuses and many of the older Japanese built buildings still exist. |
Wow... is this admitted-to? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keij%C5%8D_Imperial_University
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_National_University |
I'm more curious if it's something that Koreans are somewhat shamed by, meaning that they sort of bury the idea and just kind of don't talk about it? Wiki isn't exactly coming from the Korean daily angle, but thanks.
Japan founded South Korea's #1 university.
That's right up there with a white man founding black american Muslim militancy, although the truth about Seoul National's roots surprises me less. |
Well, Koreans are in a sense ashamed of being colonized. But as for the university, it was part of an active campaign to wipe vestiges of colonialism, and Japanese culture, from Korean society. This was done by the Korean government and the US Military Government. A little ironic, since many of the key Koreans in high political positions were also key in the Japanese administration and none too popular with the general population.
But, I think most young Koreans well be unaware, and probably don't care. As the older ones, I'm sure they don't actively advertise such knowledge. And, why should they? It's in the past. I don't know the historic details of any of my Alma maters, and I really don't care. But if someone wants to find out, they can do research about it. It isn't 'covered up'. |
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salutbonjour
Joined: 22 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well there's a whole slew of objective and subjective reasons for why SNU is the best in Korea. All the objective details are measured and quantified in any of the world university rankings (QS, THE, Jiao-Tong) and the subjective one is the students believing it is better which creates the competition and ability for SNU to pick and choose.
In engineering, perhaps KAIST or POSTECH is better for a Korean student, but for a foreigner that is nitpicking and it would be more fun to be in Seoul. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| salutbonjour wrote: |
Well there's a whole slew of objective and subjective reasons for why SNU is the best in Korea. All the objective details are measured and quantified in any of the world university rankings (QS, THE, Jiao-Tong) and the subjective one is the students believing it is better which creates the competition and ability for SNU to pick and choose.
In engineering, perhaps KAIST or POSTECH is better for a Korean student, but for a foreigner that is nitpicking and it would be more fun to be in Seoul. |
And it seems that SNU guards the perception with intimidation. If memory serves, they threatened to sue one of the top recruits in Korea recently for changing his mind about attending SNU for another top school. Can you imagine Harvard suing a student who chose a different school after being accepted?
I suppose the mere thought of the top incoming Freshman for the year deciding to dump SNU for somewhere else was so damaging to their reputation that it merited a lawsuit? Wish I could find the link, but my Google fu on android is not strong. |
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