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'Welcome and Stay For Years' or 'Visit Only'

 
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:54 am    Post subject: 'Welcome and Stay For Years' or 'Visit Only' Reply with quote

Does the Korean government, companies and universities want foreigners to stay for a long time in Korea? Do Korean authorities only want visitors and tourists?

Korean-Americans own and operate 135,571 businesses across the United States that have gross sales and receipts of $46,000,000,000 and employ 333,649 individuals with an annual payroll of $5,800,000,000.
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/diversity/t092502.htm

How many foreigners that have permanently moved to Korea own and operate businesses in Korea? How many Canadians that have permanently moved to Korea own and operate businesses in Korea? How many Americans that have permanently moved to Korea own and operate businesses in Korea?
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Count me as one .... I believe there may be others ...
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your business Wangja?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: 'Welcome and Stay For Years' or 'Visit Only' Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Does the Korean government, companies and universities want foreigners to stay for a long time in Korea? Do Korean authorities only want visitors and tourists?

Korean-Americans own and operate 135,571 businesses across the United States that have gross sales and receipts of $46,000,000,000 and employ 333,649 individuals with an annual payroll of $5,800,000,000.
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/diversity/t092502.htm

How many foreigners that have permanently moved to Korea own and operate businesses in Korea? How many Canadians that have permanently moved to Korea own and operate businesses in Korea? How many Americans that have permanently moved to Korea own and operate businesses in Korea?



Of course, the Korea- waegook relationship dynamics are totally unequal. I have to say that I think Korean racism and nationalism plays a huge underlying role.
Adapting this to the average foreigner here, I've always noticed many Koreans will welcome a tourist and play the big host card. If they find out you've been here a while, or plan to stay in their country, the welcome ices over rapidly. It starts to plumb the depths if they realise you have a Korean girlfriend, and probably hits new lows if they find out you've actually set up a business here.
Most koreans simply do not want any foreigners in their country, full stop, and the laws reflect this.
Regarding long term esl teachers here, I think they should grant 2 or 3 year teaching visas to those that have shown an ability to stick it hre longer than a year. The whole Osaka -hopping thing is a pain in the rear.
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Dispatched



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting questions, I've meet a couple of wae-gooks that have started their own businesses, didn't seem overly difficult for them to get them up and running.

To answer your questions, 'Does the Korean government, companies and universities want foreigners to stay for a long time in Korea?', probably not, but why would they? This is their country, they seem to like it so why would they want other cultures coming in and changing things.

If you are infact asking why there are so few foriegn run companies maybe it's because the Korean economy is so unstable that you take a hell off a risk investing here, maybe the only foriegners here are recent(ish) graduates who don't have the skill or knowledge to start a fledgling business. Maybe the market is so saturated with educated minds already that there is no place for more foreigners unless you have specialty skills in which case why are you using them here???

ps. rapier that's one tasty avatar you have there!
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Count me as another foreigner who started a business here (George from Hubble Bubble is another).

I agree with Rapier's comments... foreigners in Korea are expected to play out certain roles: the tourist, the ESL teacher, the high-level business man who swooped in for a week to sign a huge contract with a local company, etc. When someone like myself escapes this "box" many Koreans will find themselves struggling to make sense of this foreigner tha tdoesn't fit their expectations.

I've accepted this, and it's one of the reasons why I want to pull up stakes and move back to the states.

Brian
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ThePoet



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my first trip to Seoul this weekend, my friends and I went to Itaewon and after a while we wanted to have a drink. We noticed this bar with a terrace wayyyyy up on the 7th floor of a building and decided to go up. The owner is American and he is a really great guy to talk to. He has been in Korea 11 years, he has a TV show of his own, and he has truly carved a niche for himself. I consider him to be very successful and he has his head screwed on right.

He has me believing that there are opportunities for those who do their homework about what you must do and how to do it in Korea. A true waygook success story.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy - I operate as an independent consultant in contractual disputes on large international projects. I have a D8 visa (I posted elsewhere about that).

rapier - I qualify on all the points you raise but am happy to say I have not had any of the problems you mention, but I can see that it could be so. FWIW, I have struggled hard to learn Korean and this does help, even at my "beginner" level.

Generally, I would say that the formalities were not that arduous and when in government offices, I was warmly welcomed as a foreign investor.
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