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schwa
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: |
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So they shared the "smartest" countries but not the dumbest because some consider IQ an inaccurate way of showing intelligence?
BS. Then why show the smartest? Its a two way street. Gee, I wonder why they omitted the "dumbest" countries....  |
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Fox

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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: Re: koreans tend to be smart |
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We decided that it’s not worth sharing the “dumbest” countries in the world, mainly because we'd be accused of racism for daring to publicly acknowledge the data. |
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lemak
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Someone listed in the comments....
"The countries at the bottom of the barrel are:
1 Equatorial Guinea 59
2 Ethiopia 63
3 Sierra Leone 64
4 Democratic Republic of the Congo 65
5 Zimbabwe 66
5 Guinea 66
7 Nigeria 67
8 Ghana 71
9 Tanzania 72
9 Sudan 72" |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Location: México
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: |
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At least the bottom of the list makes sense: some of the poorest/most destitute countries on earth sloop into those spots. Anyway, this is nonsense. Yahoo news, ugh, why even bother paying attention to the "news" if that's your source. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Being smart doesn't mean anything. A society needs to balance intelligence (being smart) and wisdom (being wise). South Korea is an example of being only smart. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
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Scorpion
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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This gets tiresome. If Koreans have such high IQ's why have they contributed nothing to humanity's knowledge base. No Einstein, no Bell, no Newton, no Spinoza, no nothing. No inventions whatsoever. Not a single nomination for a nobel prize. No great philosophers or mathematicians.
If Koreans had never existed, humanity's knowledge base would not be affected one iota.
We really need to stop starting threads about Korean's IQ's. The science teacher at my school is a creationist. Nuff said. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
This gets tiresome. If Koreans have such high IQ's why have they contributed nothing to humanity's knowledge base. No Einstein, no Bell, no Newton, no Spinoza, no nothing. No inventions whatsoever. Not a single nomination for a nobel prize. No great philosophers or mathematicians.
If Koreans had never existed, humanity's knowledge base would not be affected one iota.
We really need to stop starting threads about Korean's IQ's. The science teacher at my school is a creationist. Nuff said. |
But they invented kimchi!!! Which cures AIDS and cancer.  |
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Unposter
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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For what it is worth, Kim Daejung won the Nobel Peace Prize, but I still get your point.
There is a difference between being intelligent and being innovative.
To me, there is no question Koreans (as a general rule) are intelligent and extremely hard working compared to other parts of the world.
But, and I think it is pretty obvious, Koreans do not value innovation as much as people do in most of our home countries.
I also think this is changing. Look out world if Korea ever finds a way to marry their intelligence and hard work with a strong value on innovation. It could rock the world. Of course, it hasn't happened yet. But, I would never say never either. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently they have done something, granted the list pales in comparison to many other countries, but they haven't done diddly poo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_discoveries
Of course the haters will say "But that's all based on European stuff". Then when you remind them of Chinese inventions that Europeans used, they'll turn around and say "But Europeans actually made it better and practical and applied it". It's not about standards, it's about supremacy.
And while Korea has not invented much, it certainly has contributed to people's lives in supplying quality goods at affordable prices and being a player in electronics, shipping, nuclear construction, automobiles, construction, steel manufacturing, etc.
Also, if you want to play that game, you have to take the balance into account. Where's Korea's record of conquest, colonialism, pillaging, and genocide? I think if you were one of those millions of people slaughtered through English immoral invasion and conquest, you wouldn't give a damn if they gave the world Shakespeare or not. All that would matter is that they are shooting your family and invading lands that belong to you. While Koreans may not have contributed much, it also hasn't detroyed much. If you want credit for Einstein, you have to take the blame for Hitler. Light Bulb? Atom Bomb and Chemical Weapons.
You gotta love the people who try to puff themselves a bit by vicariously claiming credit through other peoples accomplishments, a crime Koreans are of course guilty of. But the Koreans also take group blame. Some people on here want the credit for inventions and literature from their culture, but don't want the blame for race-based slavery or genocidal conflicts. If you take group credit, you have to take group blame. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't there the exact same thread like 2 weeks ago?
What Steelrails says is true. Though he goes overboard as usual.
I will say the average Korean student studies much more difficult stuff than kids in my country.
But there is also a stunning lack of curiousity amongst even the brightest students. And an even scarier lack of common sense. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Unposter wrote: |
To me, there is no question Koreans (as a general rule) are intelligent. |
Intelligent people don't have their skylines dotted with the neon crosses of ten thousand churches. Intelligent people aren't hyper-superstitious, believe in fan death, and believe that blood type determines personality. Intelligent people do tend to think critically, a skill sorely lacking in most Koreans. Case in point. A couple of years ago I worked at a large public school and taught a class of about twenty parents. The topic turned to ghosts for some reason, and I asked who believed in them. Every single adult in the class did, without exception. It wasn't just "yes", it was "of course. All Koreans do." Not a voice of dissent to be heard. No inclination that they had ever even doubted the existence of ghosts. That's not the response of intelligent individuals.
And just in our daily observations of Koreans, do they come across as particularly intelligent? Again, where are their achievements? The only reason Korea has anything modern is because foreigners, supposedly with lower IQ's, invented everything for them. All of it - without exception.
If Koreans have the highest IQ's we need an explanation for their utter and complete lack of accomplishments over 5000 years. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you're going to make that claim then this discrepency needs some explaining.
One final point. People with high IQ's don't end up with a social and political system that currently exists north of the DMZ. Left to their own devices that what Korean genius offers the world. It's only because of the intelligence of non-Koreans that they go to work each day in a car, not on a donkey.
Rant over. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
If Koreans have the highest IQ's we need an explanation for their utter and complete lack of accomplishments over 5000 years. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you're going to make that claim then this discrepency needs some explaining.
One final point. People with high IQ's don't end up with a social and political system that currently exists north of the DMZ. Left to their own devices that what Korean genius offers the world. It's only because of the intelligence of non-Koreans that they go to work each day in a car, not on a donkey.
Rant over. |
IQ doesnt necessarily lead to empires and inventions. According to you the US would have the highest IQs as they have invented a lot of modern technology as well as being at the forefront of cultural expansion in the 20th century.
It's two seperate issues.
It's always the East Asian countries that do well in these kinds of studies becuase their education systems and styles lend themselves to the skills that are useful in an IQ test. All the other stuff you are talking about isn't really related. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion embodies bitter NET "critical thinking"- long on the critical, short on the thinking. Combine that with a complete lack of logic. If Koreans were not intelligent, then explain how they are global leaders in electronics, shipping, construction, etc. Sorry, but "thanks to the white man" doesn't work for anyone with a bit of critical thinking who can objectively analyze the situation.
As for superstitions and religion, pretty much every nation nation around the world has those. If you had critical thinking, you would realize that Koreans are no more different than anyone else, meaning such things are not reflective of relative intelligence.
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Again, where are their achievements? The only reason Korea has anything modern is because foreigners, supposedly with lower IQ's, invented everything for them. All of it - without exception. |
And the only reason anything modern was invented is because of the Chinese and gunpowder, so all those Europeans "owe them". You'd realize that if you had critical thinking.
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And just in our daily observations of Koreans, do they come across as particularly intelligent? |
They come across as normal people. Some smart, others less so.
If you're so brilliant, why are you working for them? Where are your accomplishments?
Really, the truth is that you are a small man, with little to your name and you resent your place on the totem pole and these stupid chinky-dinky chinamen being "above you". But the reason you are there is probably because you lack critical thinking.
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If Koreans have the highest IQ's we need an explanation for their utter and complete lack of accomplishments over 5000 years. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you're going to make that claim then this discrepency needs some explaining.
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I think Native Americans especially, and colonized peoples in general would take Koreans non-gifts to the world anyday over British "gifts" to those populations. Like I said- If you were born a Native American or an African slave, you wouldn't give a damn about Shakespeare, lightbulbs, automobiles, etc. All that would matter is that they killed your family and invaded your land.
Korea has been just to the world- It hasn't given much, But it hasn't damaged much. Those "great" inventing countries? Do their accomplishments balance out the costs of "A thousand years of theft, rape, and murder" of entire nations and races of people?
Who cares about critical thinking if you are using it to rape and murder?
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One final point. People with high IQ's don't end up with a social and political system that currently exists north of the DMZ. Left to their own devices that what Korean genius offers the world. It's only because of the intelligence of non-Koreans that they go to work each day in a car, not on a donkey. |
That is absolutely ignorant of history. You are an idiot.
Left to their own devices? You do realize that the political system north of the DMZ was based on Marxist-Leninism? What kind of Korean name is Marx or Lenin? What do you think North Korea just sprang up out of the woodwork? You don't think someone named Josef Stalin or Vyacheslav Molotov or Mao Zedong had something to do with that? What you think other nations have never experienced brutal military governments? How intelligent are other nations if they too are facing governments which are driving their people into debt and enabling unsound environmental policies?
Complete critical thinking history fail.
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It's only because of the intelligence of non-Koreans that they go to work each day in a car, not on a donkey. |
It's only because of the intelligence of Chinese/Muslim/Egyptian/Indian people that you do as well.
Oh yeah, and all those negroes your country enslaved and those nations that your country invaded and raped the resources from.
Do you have no shame? Why is critical thinking so hard for you? Oh that's right- It requires you to think, not just criticize.
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