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itiswhatitis



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:30 am    Post subject: My Korean language plan...advice please.... Reply with quote

I was taking Korean evening classes at one of the universities in Seoul in the evenings (teaching at a public school during the day).

Instead of going to class 3 times a week I am thinking of meeting with one of the teaches one on one from the univ.

The teacher is a tad more pricey (but only a little more than univ. class tuition) but I think I will learn as well and I want to avoid 3 trips a week to school (we will meet once a week for 2 hours and univ class is 3 times a week for 2 hours).

I figure once a week for 2 hours to keep me in check, ask questions and speak together. I am a self starter and I study well independantly.

Advice/sounds like a plan?

Thanks in advance.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you study well alone, and have a job (meaning you have natural daily interactions with Koreans), I see no reason for you to pay to learn at all. I did not attend classes, or even study very hard, and I've done all right. Study hard on your own, ask questions to your coworkers or on the net, and you'll learn fine, for free.
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Engrish Mufffin



Joined: 09 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as the one to one teacher is organized and has planned lessons. You don't want one of the lazy teachers who just shows up and thinks striking up a conversation will do.

She should probably follow a textbook to make sure you learn in an organized manner.
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jammo



Joined: 12 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly don't bother. Once you get to the level where you understand what people are saying you will regret it.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I did not attend classes, or even study very hard, and I've done all right.

That's strange, man, because I studied very very very hard and I still suck at the language. I guess you're a natural at learning languages. You must have a knack for it. I guess you have talent I don't. And I suppose having a Korean wife and Korean kids probably helped your progress quite a bit too I'm sure, as did living in the sticks of Gangwondo. Nevertheless, I am impressed. Very few lifers ever make it past the beginner level, no matter how how they study.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really cannot express how useless my wife has been as a language resource; I ask a question and get an, "I don't know, why do you only ask me hard questions?" And the kids are only one year old.

Being in Gangwon might have helped though. My coworkers have generally not spoken English, the locals almost never do (even doctors and the like), and I do not associate much with the local foreigners, who almost all either go home after a year or run off to Seoul.
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tmax500



Joined: 12 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learn by reading (some) Korean subtitles on American movie channels. Good for about 5 new words per movie and remembering earlier ones.

"Korean grammar in use" is a good book and the Sogang university website is worth a look (http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/). Pimsleur CDs are great for other languages but they're too formal in Korean. I've never taken a Korean class, but if I really had to study I'd find a gyopo teacher (online or in-person).
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammo wrote:
Honestly don't bother. Once you get to the level where you understand what people are saying you will regret it.


Rolling Eyes
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mr_thehorse



Joined: 27 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I really cannot express how useless my wife has been as a language resource; I ask a question and get an, "I don't know, why do you only ask me hard questions?" And the kids are only one year old.


I couldn't help but laugh when reading this and looking at your profile pic. haha awesome dude.
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elavndrc



Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned Korean pretty much on my own. Learn how to read the alphabet first and then listen to some slow songs - reading as you go along (even if you don't know what they are saying). Watch some TV - variety or dramas. Variety can be easy because you can pause and look up the words appearing on the screen, and a lot of times it's slapstick so that will be easier to watch.

Move on to dramas with English subtitles - watch a Korean drama episode three times. First time with subtitles, second time with subtitles but concentrate on listening to what they are saying. The third time you watch it without the subtitles, you will already know what they are saying since you watched it twice already with subtitles and that will help the content sink in. I also used to copy whatever the characters say to help with pronunciation.

It's not easy and it takes a lot of time - but I did that for maybe five years and I'm fluent. I tried to take some classes to learn proper grammar, I took maybe 6 months of classes but it's not really the way I learn and it was too formal. Depending on how you learn - any combination of methods could be useful.
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent about 2 years studying from books by myself (there was a 10 week evening class course towards the end of that, which also helped) and then started to be able to keep conversations going to the point where chatting to people is becoming a more useful form of study. I'd probably just do the course if I were you and keep plugging away at the books in the meantime. Focus on learning grammar rules until you can express yourself confidently with what you know, then do lots of conversation practice and build vocab
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
If you study well alone, and have a job (meaning you have natural daily interactions with Koreans), I see no reason for you to pay to learn at all. I did not attend classes, or even study very hard, and I've done all right. Study hard on your own, ask questions to your coworkers or on the net, and you'll learn fine, for free.


This is partly good advice if your intent is to make it to intermediate level (low intermediate) in Korean.

At some point classes become necessary for advancing your proficiency. Classes can mean one - on -one tutoring with a teacher or attending language classes. That investment will pay off in the longer run if you want to reach a proficiency level that nears fluency (conversational fluency).

I agree with what was said by another poster about learning style affecting how you will learn the language.

If you are a self-learner then classes may not be all that important but at some point to establish a strong grammar base you would (in my opinion) need one or two classes. Some people get there without classes however.

The biggest thing (in my experience learning the language) is to max out on practice and to put yourself in "Korean-first" situations as much as possible (situations where you HAVE to use Korean to be understood). That will pay off big time after a while because all too often the biggest problem language learners have is developing their "ear" for the language. It is relatively easy to learn how to speak and to memorize key phrases but understanding the reply and responding is where lots of folks freeze up and feel discouraged. Practice helps with that and will give you confidence in your abilities after a while.

Another critical element here is to accept you will make mistakes, that you will sometimes be miss-understood by Koreans and that you will feel stuck without a reply sometimes. This tends to fade with experience and higher proficiency but not getting discouraged initially can be a big hurdle.

So, OP, your plan sounds good depending on what your end state goal is of course.
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markness



Joined: 02 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey OP,

Sounds like you have a good plan. You say you are a good self-learner, I am curious, have you tried out the pimsleur? I know you will think that it is "too easy", but I swear, that program nailed grammatical structure into my brain like no other. I studied Chinese at a university, and got to "intermediate" level, but let me tell you, what I thought I knew, was not enough. Learning languages at a university/in a traditional setting is a slow and questionably useful process. Sure you will have a large vocabulary, but I never actually learned how to properly structure sentences until I used the pimsleur. You can find a free copy on pirate bay Wink Also for the reading/writing part I supplement it with free courses I have found on the internet:

http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/

Try using that website and the pimsleur, I swear there will be stuff you think you knew but you didn't.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
This is partly good advice if your intent is to make it to intermediate level (low intermediate) in Korean.

At some point classes become necessary for advancing your proficiency. Classes can mean one - on -one tutoring with a teacher or attending language classes. That investment will pay off in the longer run if you want to reach a proficiency level that nears fluency (conversational fluency).


Well I haven't taken the official test yet, but I'm doing practice tests for my Advanced TOPIK test in October, and I'm testing at a high 5/low 6 level (~70% on each section, which is the marginal cutoff). I suppose we'll see how I actually do (every test is different), but I'm not convinced classes are ever required.

Where ever my proficiency is, it's past "low intermediate," and I've never set foot in a classroom.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox, how long ago did you come to Korea? Did you say something like only five years ago? It's crazy you got so good in such a short amount of time. How did you do it? I know you said you studied a lot of hanja. What else?
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