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Mr. Kalgukshi



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Missing Pension Contributions - NPS Reply with quote

This information is coming from a source that I completely trust.

From 1995 to 2000 he worked under contract for Korea University.

He is now at an age where he wants to apply for U.S. Social Security using credits earned for his 5 years in Korea under the Reciprocal Agreement in effect for both nations.

When he queried Korea University and the Korean National Pension Service neither one found any documents in their respective pension file folders.

In other words, even though he has a Korean pension number and had pension deductions taken out for five years, the deductions seem to have gone missing. His file shows zero credit for pension contributions.

This is having a very serious negative effect on his application for U.S. Social Security.

The Korean National Pension Service is now looking more thoroughly into the matter after complaints were filed with U.S. Senators and Congressmen along with the U.S. Social Security Administration and the Seoul Embassy.

The question still remains, though: What happened to 5 years of pension deductions while he was working under contract at Korea University?

Don't forget that under Korean NPS regulations, foreign employees have been under mandatory NPS coverage since 1995 when working at schools with 5 or more employees.

It may be a good idea to start checking your pension folders at your schools and determining what they include and don't include. Shocked


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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Pension Contributions Gone Missing Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
The question still remains, though: What happened to 5 years of pension deductions while he was working under contract at Korea University?


Aaand, it's gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might also be worthy to note that Korean Universities are NOT covered by or required to have employees enrolled in the NPS but they are required under the labor standard act ( http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=254&tab=Standards (article 34)) or the Employee Retirement Benefit Security Act ( http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=260&tab=Standards ) to be enrolled into a private pension plan which may require the beneficiary to know who the plan is held by/with and not assume it is the NPS.

If you go to ING to withdraw from your pension plan but your plan is held by AIS or Samsung then they may very well tell you that there is nothing in your file or that you do not have a file to look into (in spite of having a number).

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Mr. Kalgukshi



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has a Korean National Pension number and files at both Korea University and the Korean National Pension Service. Unfortunately, they are empty.

Whatever the case, the Korean National Pension is looking into the matter along with Korea University.

Neither one at this point is able to explain where the contributions went and why their files are empty.

There is also potentially a dark side to this that will hopefully prove not to be the case.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you referring to the possibility of US citizens abroad being forced to "bail in" to help the sinking ship?

If so, I would have given that a year or so more based upon my own readings as they continue to kick the can down the road.

Hmmm....
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
He has a Korean National Pension number and files at both Korea University and the Korean National Pension Service. Unfortunately, they are empty.

Whatever the case, the Korean National Pension is looking into the matter along with Korea University.

Neither one at this point is able to explain where the contributions went and why their files are empty.

There is also potentially a dark side to this that will hopefully prove not to be the case.


To they have any records of the contributions or of them being withdrawn?

I'm asking because 2005 is around the time that the system was changed and many universities switched to a private pension scheme.

Back then, we were given the option of cashing out or keeping our contributions in the system until retirement. I opted to cash out because the amount of pension I would have received would have been insignificant, about 150$ per month. I estimated that I would have needed to live a good 20 years after retirement to earn all of my contributions back. I figured I could do better by investing it on my own.
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EZE



Joined: 05 May 2012

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you tell me which US Congressmen are handling his issue? I'd like to contact the same ones independently about my own case of pension fraud, so it will give them some idea of the prevalence of this type of fraud against foreigners in the South Korean educational system.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He contacted his own Representative and the two U.S. Senators for his state.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if it has anything to do with that running thread on the FB professors forum about dozens of schools getting caught illegally paying professors pension with tuition fees, and now schools must pay it back? Maybe they froze his money somehow? Some schools really messed up, and if memory serves, Yonsei was one of the worst offenders. KU may have been on that list, too.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
He has a Korean National Pension number and files at both Korea University and the Korean National Pension Service. Unfortunately, they are empty.

Whatever the case, the Korean National Pension is looking into the matter along with Korea University.

Neither one at this point is able to explain where the contributions went and why their files are empty.

There is also potentially a dark side to this that will hopefully prove not to be the case.


To they have any records of the contributions or of them being withdrawn?

I'm asking because 2005 is around the time that the system was changed and many universities switched to a private pension scheme.

Back then, we were given the option of cashing out or keeping our contributions in the system until retirement. I opted to cash out because the amount of pension I would have received would have been insignificant, about 150$ per month. I estimated that I would have needed to live a good 20 years after retirement to earn all of my contributions back. I figured I could do better by investing it on my own.

That would have been my guess as well except for their being no records. They should have a record of him withdrawing the pension money if he had done so.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to go break some kneecaps....
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps they switched over to the private pension plan, withdrew all the prior NPP contributions and paid it out to the teacher as his "severance pay."
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
Perhaps they switched over to the private pension plan, withdrew all the prior NPP contributions and paid it out to the teacher as his "severance pay."


Over 25 million won? A guy here went back to Canada and got over 40 million back after 8.5 years in private pension.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
Perhaps they switched over to the private pension plan, withdrew all the prior NPP contributions and paid it out to the teacher as his "severance pay."


Over 25 million won? A guy here went back to Canada and got over 40 million back after 8.5 years in private pension.


If they did, they violated the law. Severance has noting to do with pension contributions.

Whatever they did, they didn't want it to appear in their files. Not a good sign.
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EZE



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:
He contacted his own Representative and the two U.S. Senators for his state.


Ah, ok. Let him know I'll be contacting his guys too. Laughing Since I'm a US citizen, but not a resident of any House district or any state, I'll contact them all. Spreading it around like that greatly increases the odds of something being done. Most will only give a token effort or none at all. Only a few will see it through.
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