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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Masters Compulsory Reply with quote

The big topic at my uni now is Masters. The office says that they don't know if people without masters are getting rehired until the Education Board (govt) tells them. Anyone have any insight on what the new government rulings are likely to be or when they will be coming?
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First I heard of it recently, but I know an awful lot of people who are going to be screwed if this becomes a nationwide thing.

But, there have been rumors of this change for years and nothing has happened yet.

With that said, if you don't have a masters and plan on staying at a university long term, get one. It's the wise thing to do and, given your job, you have no excuse not to.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping I get grandfathered in as I have several years experience.

I should get a masters but I really only want one more year so I can get the online grad cert I want to transition into a different career outside Korea. A masters in TESL is kind of useless for me therefore, and I don't want a masters in another field as yet.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do any of these these "on-line" Masters programs in Linguistics, etc., require you to write the GRE before being accepted into the program?
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
Do any of these these "on-line" Masters programs in Linguistics, etc., require you to write the GRE before being accepted into the program?


I would think not. Many of the American online universities are a bit of a joke. Besides, the GRE is an American thing. So, if you were to start a distance education program with a well-ranked Canadian or British university, you wouldn't need to take that test.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
I'm hoping I get grandfathered in as I have several years experience.

I should get a masters but I really only want one more year so I can get the online grad cert I want to transition into a different career outside Korea. A masters in TESL is kind of useless for me therefore, and I don't want a masters in another field as yet.


I doubt that's how it would work. Remember, that's not how it worked with the background checks for the E2.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
JMO wrote:
I'm hoping I get grandfathered in as I have several years experience.

I should get a masters but I really only want one more year so I can get the online grad cert I want to transition into a different career outside Korea. A masters in TESL is kind of useless for me therefore, and I don't want a masters in another field as yet.


I doubt that's how it would work. Remember, that's not how it worked with the background checks for the E2.


yea, possibly thats true. As far as i'm aware, currently you need 3 years experience at a university or a masters to get rehired. I'm hoping that this is not the year it changes. But, yea it could change at any time for sure.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will they give you a big pay raise to match that education requirement? I wouldn't take on all that "Master's" debt just to make a big whopping 2.0 Mil. Seems the costs don't equal the means. But, then again, there's a sucker born every minute.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

..unless, there's a really cheap online Master's from a degree mill that will be accepted here. Otherwise, they can go %&*&*( themselves.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
JMO wrote:
I'm hoping I get grandfathered in as I have several years experience.

I should get a masters but I really only want one more year so I can get the online grad cert I want to transition into a different career outside Korea. A masters in TESL is kind of useless for me therefore, and I don't want a masters in another field as yet.


I doubt that's how it would work. Remember, that's not how it worked with the background checks for the E2.


yea, possibly thats true. As far as i'm aware, currently you need 3 years experience at a university or a masters to get rehired. I'm hoping that this is not the year it changes. But, yea it could change at any time for sure.


Yes, it could, not that I'm convinced it will.

PS. Quite frankly, if I had any say in government policy and wanted to protect my own interests and that of the students, I'd advise them to require that anyone who teaches a subject at university must have at least an MA in that particular subject or in a related field. That would eventually lead to the end of the pay inequality that exists between Korean and foreign faculty members in some departments.
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cabeza



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our department head said 2015-16. But when we pushed him for more information he didn't know much. So I don't really think he knows.
I'm sure if/when it happens it will be a last minute announcement.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cabeza wrote:
Our department head said 2015-16. But when we pushed him for more information he didn't know much. So I don't really think he knows.
I'm sure if/when it happens it will be a last minute announcement.


2015/2016 would be perfecto
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timhorton



Joined: 07 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Weigookin74"]Will they give you a big pay raise to match that education requirement? I wouldn't take on all that "Master's" debt just to make a big whopping 2.0 Mil. Seems the costs don't equal the means. But, then again, there's a sucker born every minute.[/quote]

Speaking from experience: If you are smart and find a low cost masters with flexibility...you can greatly improve your quality of life from a PS (or Hokwon) to UNI. It's not for lazy people though - it takes energy/time/initiative.

So YES a masters is VERY worth it!
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IPayInCash



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youd be a fool to get a Masters now to teach in Korea. Uni gigs are a shell of their former selves. They pay teachers in peanuts and the vacation isnt what it used to be. I make more than uni teachers now and I work less and have less qualifications. If youre going to spend all of that money on a masters get it in a field you can actually pursue a career from in your home country
Theyre just too much money and time to work a slight step above walking tape players at Wonderland (which make more than you too).
In the good days I cann see the argument. But with todays lowball offers? Hell no. Ignore all of the "all my friends are making 3.0+ in Seoul!!" clowns on Daves
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IPayInCash wrote:
Youd be a fool to get a Masters now to teach in Korea. Uni gigs are a shell of their former selves. They pay teachers in peanuts and the vacation isnt what it used to be. I make more than uni teachers now and I work less and have less qualifications. If youre going to spend all of that money on a masters get it in a field you can actually pursue a career from in your home country
Theyre just too much money and time to work a slight step above walking tape players at Wonderland (which make more than you too).
In the good days I cann see the argument. But with todays lowball offers? Hell no. Ignore all of the "all my friends are making 3.0+ in Seoul!!" clowns on Daves


Sour grapes, eh?
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