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navogel



Joined: 14 May 2013
Location: United States

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:24 am    Post subject: first payday, need help with pension, insurance, tax. Reply with quote

Preface: I searched the boards up and down so if this has been covered I apologize.

So I accepted my first esl job here in Korea at a hagwon after much research. I talked to the current teachers and they had only good things to say, they were paid on time, director was cool albeit a little stingy, etc. I realize now they were a bit clueless. They did tell me the director pressured them to get a cheaper private insurance, which they took, and it sucked. They said I should get the national ins. Well I got the same song and dance last week, but the truth is going to the doc is so cheap here and I rarely get sick... So that 15000/won (employer pays half) a month for emergency coverage is all I need. I would much rather skip the 60-70k won national ins coverage.

Well I got my first paycheck today and the only problem is that I am not getting pension. The previous teachers didn't even know about it, so it was never mentioned as an issue.

So the golden question is, can I get the pension without the national health insurance or do I have to have both? I do not want to pay 60k+/mo for ins I will never use! (plus back pay for the first month I was here)

I'm also getting a tax rate of 3.3 withheld which I thought we amazing until reading more on the boards. So maybe I'm an independent contractor, but then I don't understand why I have the option for national healthcare?

If anyone has some insight on tax it would be appreciated as well. I understand a lot of schools use the 3.3%. But is there a way to check your official current withholdings and make sure you get any extra money back at the end of the tax year?

Thanks!



Sent from an android phone, so please excuse typos and brevity.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: first payday, need help with pension, insurance, tax. Reply with quote

navogel wrote:
Preface: I searched the boards up and down so if this has been covered I apologize.

So I accepted my first esl job here in Korea at a hagwon after much research. I talked to the current teachers and they had only good things to say, they were paid on time, director was cool albeit a little stingy, etc. I realize now they were a bit clueless. They did tell me the director pressured them to get a cheaper private insurance, which they took, and it sucked. They said I should get the national ins. Well I got the same song and dance last week, but the truth is going to the doc is so cheap here and I rarely get sick... So that 15000/won (employer pays half) a month for emergency coverage is all I need. I would much rather skip the 60-70k won national ins coverage.

Well I got my first paycheck today and the only problem is that I am not getting pension. The previous teachers didn't even know about it, so it was never mentioned as an issue.

So the golden question is, can I get the pension without the national health insurance or do I have to have both? I do not want to pay 60k+/mo for ins I will never use! (plus back pay for the first month I was here)

I'm also getting a tax rate of 3.3 withheld which I thought we amazing until reading more on the boards. So maybe I'm an independent contractor, but then I don't understand why I have the option for national healthcare?

If anyone has some insight on tax it would be appreciated as well. I understand a lot of schools use the 3.3%. But is there a way to check your official current withholdings and make sure you get any extra money back at the end of the tax year?

Thanks!


Yes, you are being treated as an Independent Contractor. What does your contract say about National Pension and Health Insurance? What does it mention about your status as an employee - are you referred to as teacher, employee, IC or something else?

As an IC you are still required to register yourself and pay the full amount for National Pension and National Health Insurance. The two are linked, so if you register for one you will eventually be discovered and have to pay for the other. However, as an IC, instead of your employer contributing half of each, you are required to make the full payments. The fact that you have an alternative policy does not eliminate your requirement to sign up for the National Health Insurance scheme.

As an IC you are your own "employer" even though your school is your "sponsor." This is because the former is a function of the Tax Office and the latter is under the purview of Immigration. So, your status is legal, but undesireable; unless you are making about 2.5 million won instead of the usual 2.1 million won, you're getting screwed.

Your income tax should be under 2% (assuming your at 2.1), however it's common for employees to have their income taxes overwithheld at the 3.3% rate as well. You can file for a refund, if your boss pays the full amount to the tax office. Your final tax liability will not be higher as an IC, in fact, it may be lower. However it is generally required that ICs have 3.3% withheld (it can be higher, lower or even zero for ICs as well as employees).

While your status is legal, it could also be in violation of your contract, breach of contract or possibly fraud, which is why what your contract says is important at this point.

It may have been better for you if you had asked for the National Health Insurance through your school. Then they would have to sign you up for Pension as well and treat you as an employee - maybe they would have - or maybe that would have been the beginning of a struggle that ended with you losing your job.
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navogel



Joined: 14 May 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my contract definitely sounds like an employee. It refers to me as an instructor throughout, never a contractor, and ends with this:

The term of this contract is from September 2013 to September 2014. This agreement constitutes the entire agreement between the employee and employer and supercedes all previous oral and written representations and understandings between the parties.

I believe I'm still able to get the national health insurance through my employer. And he has agreed to pay half. I just don't want to pay for the health insurance (even half) in order to get the pension... Especially since I will have to pay for past months that I haven't used it.

Sounds like I'm stuck though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my contract definitely sounds like an employee. It refers to me as an instructor throughout, never a contractor, and ends with this:

The term of this contract is from September 2013 to September 2014. This agreement constitutes the entire agreement between the employee and employer and supercedes all previous oral and written representations and understandings between the parties.

I believe I'm still able to get the national health insurance through my employer. And he has agreed to pay half. I just don't want to pay for the health insurance (even half) in order to get the pension... Especially since I will have to pay for past months that I haven't used it.

Sounds like I'm stuck though.
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Guajiro



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: first payday, need help with pension, insurance, tax. Reply with quote

navogel wrote:
Preface: I searched the boards up and down so if this has been covered I apologize.

So I accepted my first esl job here in Korea at a hagwon after much research. I talked to the current teachers and they had only good things to say, they were paid on time, director was cool albeit a little stingy, etc. I realize now they were a bit clueless. They did tell me the director pressured them to get a cheaper private insurance, which they took, and it sucked. They said I should get the national ins. Well I got the same song and dance last week, but the truth is going to the doc is so cheap here and I rarely get sick... So that 15000/won (employer pays half) a month for emergency coverage is all I need. I would much rather skip the 60-70k won national ins coverage.

Well I got my first paycheck today and the only problem is that I am not getting pension. The previous teachers didn't even know about it, so it was never mentioned as an issue.

So the golden question is, can I get the pension without the national health insurance or do I have to have both? I do not want to pay 60k+/mo for ins I will never use! (plus back pay for the first month I was here)

I'm also getting a tax rate of 3.3 withheld which I thought we amazing until reading more on the boards. So maybe I'm an independent contractor, but then I don't understand why I have the option for national healthcare?

If anyone has some insight on tax it would be appreciated as well. I understand a lot of schools use the 3.3%. But is there a way to check your official current withholdings and make sure you get any extra money back at the end of the tax year?

Thanks!



Sent from an android phone, so please excuse typos and brevity.


How do you know you won't get sick? I never thought I'd need surgery, but I did. Things happen. I think you should request the national insurance and pension, politely but repeatedly. It's worth it for the 100 per cent refund (only half contributed by you).
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wings



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's only your first paycheck, then you won't have much insurance to pay back, just 1 month. Do not be stupid and try to save money by not getting insurance. I haven't been in Korea for that long, but I have already seen 3 cases of people who were here without insurance and had something happen to them and then had to appeal to the expat community for help paying their bills.

You might "not get sick often" but teaching kids will probably change that, and have you seen how people drive here? Have you noticed how slippery some of the stairs and sidewalks here are when it rains? Accidents happen, and when they do you will see that it isn't really so cheap to go to the doctor here.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, if something does happen to you and you end up owing a tonne of money to the hospital they will literally hold you there until you pay (with your bill getting bigger by the day). There's no way you can leave the country without paying.
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