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OChapman



Joined: 04 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Wondering if this was worth doing Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm student in the UK at the moment and I spent time as an exchange student at Korea Uni. I'm just about to finish my undergrad and I considering the possibility of going in to english language. I was wondering though if it's possible to make a career out of this kind of stuff, even if say after a year or two of being in Hagwons I return to the UK to do a proper TESOL MA (not online) and went back out looking for work.

I'm open to any advice or thoughts that you might have.

Thanks!
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Guajiro



Joined: 04 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Wondering if this was worth doing Reply with quote

OChapman wrote:
Hi,

I'm student in the UK at the moment and I spent time as an exchange student at Korea Uni. I'm just about to finish my undergrad and I considering the possibility of going in to english language. I was wondering though if it's possible to make a career out of this kind of stuff, even if say after a year or two of being in Hagwons I return to the UK to do a proper TESOL MA (not online) and went back out looking for work.

I'm open to any advice or thoughts that you might have.

Thanks!


You don't know until you try. Some people are good at it and make careers out of it. Others hate it and can't last a year. It's definitely worth a shot if you think it might be a possible career path for you.
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mr. positive



Joined: 02 Jan 2008
Location: a happy place

PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Wondering if this was worth doing Reply with quote

OChapman wrote:
Hi,

I'm student in the UK at the moment and I spent time as an exchange student at Korea Uni. I'm just about to finish my undergrad and I considering the possibility of going in to english language. I was wondering though if it's possible to make a career out of this kind of stuff, even if say after a year or two of being in Hagwons I return to the UK to do a proper TESOL MA (not online) and went back out looking for work.

I'm open to any advice or thoughts that you might have.

Thanks!


This is a typical path many here follow... definitely a good idea to teach a bit before investing in a M.A.
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jazzmaster



Joined: 30 Sep 2013

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have a CELTA or tesol certificate then you'll probably be starting in a hogwon. I think hogwons are a good introduction to teaching English as you are thrown in at the deep end. You either sink or swim.
As for the long term aspect of English teaching, it can be done but you need to stay up to date qualification wise and be prepared to move country.
In all honesty, if I were you I would check out the options in China. It's the expanding esl market and getting in on the ground floor might help you, especially in the long term.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:06 am    Post subject: fantastic Reply with quote

Consider trying another career.

To be honest TEFL is a dead end job for those devoid of ambition and only a native language and passport going for them.

If you do decide to pursue TEFL as a career then Korea is a great place to be. You can progress from hagwon to public school and finally to the gold plated doors of a university.

Then it's game over.

Again consider another career.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creeper1 is at one end of the TEFL ladder, multi millionaires John and Liz Soars, creators of the Headway series are at the other. There are a lot of jobs and specialisations in between. A good thing about the TEFL industry is you're not likely to be unemployed in the near future, a less good thing is there are a lot of jobs near the bottom of the ladder which don't offer much chance of development. However, as Creeper points out a lot of people are in TEFL due to lack of ambition/drive and a lot are in it temporarily. So for people who want to get on it's less competetive than other fields.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a decent career path = yes and it does go beyond "guest lecturer" at a Korean uni.
Can your additional credentials and qualifications pay for themselves = yes.

Are lots of people stuck at the bottom in dead end jobs = certainly (and many of them have no ambition or inclination (for whatever reason) to progress further or add additional qualifications to get beyond "entry level" EFL jobs.

Are you likely to "get rich" in EFL = NO. It is firmly planted in the middle class.

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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: fantastic Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
You can progress from hagwon to public school and finally to the gold plated doors of a university.

That particular progression is outdated I think. Why? Because public schools are cutting back on hiring. So are unis. (This is due to the low birth rate/ declining student enrollment as well as K-teachers (who in many cases have studied abroad) taking over jobs once done exclusively by the Westerner.) And most unis are looking for an MA plus two years of full time uni experience or a BA and four years of verifiable full time uni experience (teaching credit classes) at a minimum. How can a person get into the uni system if they can't get the requisite experience? (In the past, an unrelated BA and a couple years of hagwon and public school experience guaranteed a uni interview at the very least. Now, no way. The standards keep getting raised more and more for the same (or more acurractely, adjusted for inflation: declining) low pay. More people getting into the industry and getting certs means that will only continue. In the past, it was possible to get rich teaching ESL (qualified or not). (Think of Japan, Taiwan, the Middle East, Latin America, and even Korea in the mid 80s to mid 90s, and even beyond.) Now, I don't think so. (It's simply a result of the market becoming oversaturated at all levels- including the higher levels, which would be 'experienced' and 'qualified').
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Creeper1 is at one end of the TEFL ladder, multi millionaires John and Liz Soars, creators of the Headway series are at the other. .


Golf is a great way to make money. Consider becoming a professional. Edwardcatflap is at one end of the golf ladder, the multimillionaire Tiger Woods is at another



No-one can give advice to the op without knowing his interests, skills and background.

TEFL is a quick and easy way to get a job. For 99% of people it isn't a career though.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another way to get rich: grow your hair long and play guitar. There are people touring the world making millions who do that.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Golf is a great way to make money. Consider becoming a professional. Edwardcatflap is at one end of the golf ladder, the multimillionaire Tiger Woods is at another


I'm not sure I'm even on the ladder. My best round is 109. However, as opposed to Tiger, I don't think you need an amazing talent to be able to write a successful TEFL text book.
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