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Free Talking discussion topic: Divestment and fossil fuels

 
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Ethan Allen Hawley



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Free Talking discussion topic: Divestment and fossil fuels Reply with quote

For anyone who's up and about right now, there's a free-to-air Google Hangout session starting right now with THE Bill McKibben:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c0kkngjk7fq2livm5qi33ne7j0g
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Ethan Allen Hawley



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a similar topic, the entire city of Seattle is looking to divest. Here's the fresh new clip on that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IelLpQm7Zg8

The flip side to divestment is of course wiser investment; Solar Mosaic is the thriving company that offers that option:
https://joinmosaic.com/how-it-works

and there's a video offering a simple explanation of it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJaI79r9L5M


So, questions for more mature Korean free talking students might include:

What movement is there for divestment in Korea?

What opportunities are there for wiser post-fossil fuel investment are there in Korea?

What is "future proofing"?
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea uses nuclear for its electrical needs. So they are ahead of most countries as far as fossil fuel usage. Just stick to teaching English, leave the preaching out of it.
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Ethan Allen Hawley



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Korea uses nuclear for its electrical needs. So they are ahead of most countries as far as fossil fuel usage. Just stick to teaching English, leave the preaching out of it.


[*snort*] Korea also uses a LOT of oil.

Remember September 7th, just after 7pm, in 2007?
260,000 tonnes of crude was spread by a storm all over the west coast just south of Seoul:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_South_Korea_oil_spill

[*chortle*] "ahead" .. you mean as in left behind by, or keeping pace with Japan? You do know that most reactors around the country are the same design as that which was swamped and crushed in Fukushima, right? And that huge corruption has been exposed within the local industry only this year, right?

[*giggle*] The most effective teachers relate their lessons to what's current/ topical/ relevant. But go ahead: you're welcome to continue with your fixation on the textbook.
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radcon



Joined: 23 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your "snorts" "chortles" and "giggles" are very douchey.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really see how divestment is intended to work. Let's say some large group of investors (some pension fund for example) decides to sell off all their shares in an oil company. Supposing that oil company is profitable, what's to stop other people from swooping in and buying up the stock? Smart investors aren't just going to leave money on the table. In the end, the pension fund is just shooting itself in the foot. There will be absolutely no effect on the demand for fossil fuel energy, and thus, no effect on GHG emissions.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little bit off topic, but here's an interesting article about Hydrogen fuel cells in new cars starting in 2015.

http://nysebigstage.com/articles/toyota-brings-hydrogen-cars-to-production?cid=p_outbrain
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
I don't really see how divestment is intended to work. Let's say some large group of investors (some pension fund for example) decides to sell off all their shares in an oil company. Supposing that oil company is profitable, what's to stop other people from swooping in and buying up the stock?


How could they even sell off their shares in the first place unless someone else were to buy it?
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Ginormousaurus wrote:
I don't really see how divestment is intended to work. Let's say some large group of investors (some pension fund for example) decides to sell off all their shares in an oil company. Supposing that oil company is profitable, what's to stop other people from swooping in and buying up the stock?


How could they even sell off their shares in the first place unless someone else were to buy it?


That's exactly it. Divestment will do nothing to the industry.

Worst case scenario they have to sell for lower than market value just to get rid of them and keep some kind of moral high ground.

Meanwhile the demand for oil remains unaffected.
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