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Kimchi, Korea, and selling out
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cmxc



Joined: 19 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Kimchi, Korea, and selling out Reply with quote

According to Wikipedia, the definition of selling out is "the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money."

When I see a bunch of foreign workers in Korea with sh!t-eating grins such as the picture in this puff piece:
Foreigners experience 'Kimchi Challenge'
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/12/177_147749.html

I really wonder if being in Korea for any extended period of time makes people embrace a kind of Stockholm syndrome.

Others that inhabit this forum continually coming to the rescue of any criticism of Korea and its sparkling 'culture' also seem clearly to fit the definition of selling out.

Why do it? Why defend a culture and a people that view non-Koreans as less than fully human? Why pimp yourself out to defend the honor of a place that dishonors foreign people at every opportunity? If the emperor has no clothes, why are you so willing to pretend that he does?

Do you do it because of a romantic partner?
Do you do it because of the salary you get teaching at a public school/hagwon/unigwon?
Do you do it for all the cheap booze?
Do you do it because you have Korean blood?
Do you do it because you feel Koreans are victims?

None of those reasons seems strong enough to abandon integrity, morality, or principles.
If you claim that you defend Korea because you care about her people, then you should be leading the charge to criticize and change this place. Korean people I have met/taught/worked with are not living happily. They wish this place would change, but the sell outs seem to be all too happy with things just the way they are.
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We, the people of the apologist brotherhood, applaud the brave souls that have participated in the Kimchi challenge. We also recommend everyone on eslcafe board to participate in as many of these events as possible (on a more personal note, I highly recommend a Dokdo field trip, or perhaps a visit to the Independence Hall of Korea). We also suggest taking part in many prestigious essay competitions that are often held by Korea Times and other great and well respected publications (some of the previous essay topics were: 'Why Korea is great', 'Why Dokdo is Korean' - in the future, it is planned to hold essay competitions on the topics of 'Why Japan is bad', and 'Why Ieodo is Korean.)

It is unfortunate that many people that have visited Korea have not attempted to experience the Korean culture by participating in these enlightening activities.


Having said that, you've raised a number of interesting questions. Why do we, the members of the apologist brotherhood, bother to enlighten those poor souls that are stranded in the dark, deceived on daily basis and are not told the Truth. As the spokesperson for the apologist brotherhood, I shall attempt to answer these questions to the best of my ability.


Do you do it because of a romantic partner?

If you mean our Korean wives - while they do purify our blood via their proximity to us, no, they are not the main reason why we always strive to teach others the Truth.

Do you do it because of the salary you get teaching at a public school/hagwon/unigwon?

While it is well known that we are provided very generous salaries that amount to millions, our minds can never be bribed nor bought, hence we'll have to answer 'no'.

Do you do it for all the cheap booze?

It's not a secret that during our apologist brotherhood meetings, which take place on weekly basis on Wednesdays, we often consume large quantities of soju and the always refreshing Cass (widely acknowledged as being the best beer in the world), Korean drinks, as opposed to the impure foreign alcohol beverages, have a most wondrous quality to them in that they do not mute our senses, but rather they sharpen them. The Truth becomes clearer - but since we knew the truth prior to the soju/cass consumption, I suspect we'd still be trying to enlighten others of the Truth.

Do you do it because you have Korean blood?

No again, though Korean food is most excellent, since it not only nourishes you, but it also cures cancer and allows one to excel at archery.

Do you do it because you feel Koreans are victims?

Korean people are not victims - I am shocked that you would make that accusation.
Here is a map of Korea as we see it - http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/12/all-your-goguryeo-belongs-to-us/

We intend to reclaim this land in due time.

If you wish to know more about our real reasons and the Truth, please join us at our weekly meetings.

Thank you.

The Apologist brotherhood.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fail to see how apologists abandon their integrity, morality, or principles.

You clearly dislike Korea and Koreans, yet you remain in the country presumably for the money. Isn't that selling out?

For what it's worth, I see nothing wrong in remaining in Korea solely for the money. But to accuse others (who actually like the place) of selling out is just hypocritical.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And maximmm, your schtick is growing tired and lame.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see how many foreign dishes we can ruin by adding stinky cabbage. What a truly pointless exercise.
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
I fail to see how apologists abandon their integrity, morality, or principles.

You clearly dislike Korea and Koreans, yet you remain in the country presumably for the money. Isn't that selling out?

For what it's worth, I see nothing wrong in remaining in Korea solely for the money. But to accuse others (who actually like the place) of selling out is just hypocritical.


I agree with this. How is experiencing another culture different than yours called selling out? I'm pretty the OP just called himself out.
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mayorhaggar



Joined: 01 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did they do the kimchi challenge?

Trying to be the next Sam Hammington, yo.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Let's see how many foreign dishes we can ruin by adding stinky cabbage. What a truly pointless exercise.


The number of crimes against food in Korea needs to be addressed. I really can't wait for my winter break in SE Asia.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel bad for some of you. Staying in a country you hate, next to people you hate, because your options back home are even bleaker.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicwr2002 wrote:
Ginormousaurus wrote:
I fail to see how apologists abandon their integrity, morality, or principles.

You clearly dislike Korea and Koreans, yet you remain in the country presumably for the money. Isn't that selling out?

For what it's worth, I see nothing wrong in remaining in Korea solely for the money. But to accuse others (who actually like the place) of selling out is just hypocritical.


I agree with this. How is experiencing another culture different than yours called selling out? I'm pretty the OP just called himself out.



Yup. He surely did.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the K Pop challenge?! Invite a bunch of foreigners over and get each team to prepare a traditional pop song from their own countries, but using Korean as one of the ingredients!

Oh no, they already do that one don't they. Laughing
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EZE



Joined: 05 May 2012

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just from looking at the picture, it looks like it would've been a good place to meet good-looking white ladies. I wish I would've sold out. Very Happy
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maximmm wrote:
We, the people of the apologist brotherhood, applaud the brave souls that have participated in the Kimchi challenge. We also recommend everyone on eslcafe board to participate in as many of these events as possible (on a more personal note, I highly recommend a Dokdo field trip, or perhaps a visit to the Independence Hall of Korea). We also suggest taking part in many prestigious essay competitions that are often held by Korea Times and other great and well respected publications (some of the previous essay topics were: 'Why Korea is great', 'Why Dokdo is Korean' - in the future, it is planned to hold essay competitions on the topics of 'Why Japan is bad', and 'Why Ieodo is Korean.)

It is unfortunate that many people that have visited Korea have not attempted to experience the Korean culture by participating in these enlightening activities.


Having said that, you've raised a number of interesting questions. Why do we, the members of the apologist brotherhood, bother to enlighten those poor souls that are stranded in the dark, deceived on daily basis and are not told the Truth. As the spokesperson for the apologist brotherhood, I shall attempt to answer these questions to the best of my ability.


Do you do it because of a romantic partner?

If you mean our Korean wives - while they do purify our blood via their proximity to us, no, they are not the main reason why we always strive to teach others the Truth.

Do you do it because of the salary you get teaching at a public school/hagwon/unigwon?

While it is well known that we are provided very generous salaries that amount to millions, our minds can never be bribed nor bought, hence we'll have to answer 'no'.

Do you do it for all the cheap booze?

It's not a secret that during our apologist brotherhood meetings, which take place on weekly basis on Wednesdays, we often consume large quantities of soju and the always refreshing Cass (widely acknowledged as being the best beer in the world), Korean drinks, as opposed to the impure foreign alcohol beverages, have a most wondrous quality to them in that they do not mute our senses, but rather they sharpen them. The Truth becomes clearer - but since we knew the truth prior to the soju/cass consumption, I suspect we'd still be trying to enlighten others of the Truth.

Do you do it because you have Korean blood?

No again, though Korean food is most excellent, since it not only nourishes you, but it also cures cancer and allows one to excel at archery.

Do you do it because you feel Koreans are victims?

Korean people are not victims - I am shocked that you would make that accusation.
Here is a map of Korea as we see it - http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/12/all-your-goguryeo-belongs-to-us/

We intend to reclaim this land in due time.

If you wish to know more about our real reasons and the Truth, please join us at our weekly meetings.

Thank you.

The Apologist brotherhood.


Testify! A witness from the congregation!
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
And maximmm, your schtick is growing tired and lame.


My dear Brother, what do you mean?

If you would like to take over my duties, you are more than welcome to it, but I should warn you that it's not an easy job. Let's discuss this further at our next meeting.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Kimchi, Korea, and selling out Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:
According to Wikipedia, the definition of selling out is "the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money."

When I see a bunch of foreign workers in Korea with sh!t-eating grins such as the picture in this puff piece:
Foreigners experience 'Kimchi Challenge'
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/12/177_147749.html

I really wonder if being in Korea for any extended period of time makes people embrace a kind of Stockholm syndrome.

I realize you are you using this event as an excuse to go on an anti-apologist rant, but still, it's a pretty flimsy excuse.

I actually acquired a taste for kimchi, so much so that I occasionally even buy the inferior non-Korean made product here in China. But even if I did not care for it, I could still see taking part in the "Kimchi Challenge" just for fun. But here's the main thing I want to say - refusing to take part in the "Kimchi Challenge" on principle??? Like that makes you some kind of Rosa Parks or Mandela?? Now that's funny!

Ginormousaurus wrote:
And maximmm, your schtick is growing tired and lame.

I take it from this comment he does this a lot, but I've never seen it, and kind of liked it.

cj1976 wrote:

The number of crimes against food in Korea needs to be addressed. I really can't wait for my winter break in SE Asia.
Kind of liked this one too!


Apologist******************************************Me***Middle********************************************Opposite of Apologist(whatever that's called)
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