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engrishprease
Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:37 pm Post subject: Why are female teachers so in demand for adult Biz classes? |
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Anyone here have any idea why most adult Business English gigs specifically ask for female teachers?
Are female teachers inherently better than male teachers when it comes to teaching adults? Or are the students after something else besides improving their Engrish?
Would be great to hear from female teachers who have previously taught Business English to CEOs and adult students in general. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Are female teachers inherently better than male teachers when it comes to teaching adults? Or are the students after something else besides improving their Engrish |
No and yes. As I think you already know |
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sendittheemail
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I had a female coworker call me in a panic, crying, from a bathroom in some crappy restaurant in Seoul. She'd accepted an invitation from a business student to go out to dinner, and after dinner/drinks, he was trying to drag her to a motel. Why she accepted the invitation in the first place, is beyond me. Perhaps newbie naivete?
Anyway, after the businessmen creep out/assault/otherwise offend their female teacher, and she rebuffs them, the recruiter is usually asked to supply another female, hence the steady demand. |
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Otus
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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It's extremely difficult to compete with that. Not surprisingly, the young, white, North American female teachers that are in such extremely high demand, seem to have the shortest survival terms in those ESL jobs. The business guys will then usually settle for a young Kyopo female who will last just a little longer ...
A few years ago now, but I used to get called in by the recruiting agencies sometimes when both the above had been burned up and the company still needed an English program, or they just couldn't get either of the above groups to work the wanted hours .... Only to be replaced again as soon as they could ... |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| indicating a gender preference in hiring is illegal unless a good reason can be shown for it (like female locker room attendant). If any company says to you that they won't hire you because you're not a woman, tell them no problem you're going to pass on their information to the labour board and they can sort it out with them. |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| indicating a gender preference in hiring is illegal unless a good reason can be shown for it (like female locker room attendant). If any company says to you that they won't hire you because you're not a woman, tell them no problem you're going to pass on their information to the labour board and they can sort it out with them. |
They're not going to openly say that, and try getting the labor board to back you up on that even if they don't hire you because you aren't a woman.
There's a big difference in what "the law says" and what gets enforced. I though you had been here long enough to understand that.
**Edit** I see you joined last year, so you're still green*** |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| indicating a gender preference in hiring is illegal unless a good reason can be shown for it (like female locker room attendant). If any company says to you that they won't hire you because you're not a woman, tell them no problem you're going to pass on their information to the labour board and they can sort it out with them. |
They're not going to openly say that, and try getting the labor board to back you up on that even if they don't hire you because you aren't a woman.
There's a big difference in what "the law says" and what gets enforced. I though you had been here long enough to understand that |
Have you looked at job ads? I see privates and biz classes all the time openly stating a gender preference in the ad online. |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| indicating a gender preference in hiring is illegal unless a good reason can be shown for it (like female locker room attendant). If any company says to you that they won't hire you because you're not a woman, tell them no problem you're going to pass on their information to the labour board and they can sort it out with them. |
They're not going to openly say that, and try getting the labor board to back you up on that even if they don't hire you because you aren't a woman.
There's a big difference in what "the law says" and what gets enforced. I though you had been here long enough to understand that |
Have you looked at job ads? I see privates and biz classes all the time openly stating a gender preference in the ad online. |
I meant "They aren't going to openly say that they aren't going to hire you because you are female."
They don't have to say anything. They'll just deleted your application. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| indicating a gender preference in hiring is illegal unless a good reason can be shown for it (like female locker room attendant). If any company says to you that they won't hire you because you're not a woman, tell them no problem you're going to pass on their information to the labour board and they can sort it out with them. |
They're not going to openly say that, and try getting the labor board to back you up on that even if they don't hire you because you aren't a woman.
There's a big difference in what "the law says" and what gets enforced. I though you had been here long enough to understand that |
Have you looked at job ads? I see privates and biz classes all the time openly stating a gender preference in the ad online. |
I meant "They aren't going to openly say that they aren't going to hire you because you are female."
They don't have to say anything. They'll just deleted your application. |
The point is they are already saying something, by saying "Female preferred" as many job ads do, they've already violated the law. If you apply as a man and don't get hired, you've already got grounds to make a complaint. You have grounds before even applying since it's part of the public job ad. |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Like I said, there's a huge gap here between what the law is and what gets enforced. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| El Bandito wrote: |
| Like I said, there's a huge gap here between what the law is and what gets enforced. |
That kind of law getting enforced requires a complaint, who here has filed one? |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| Like I said, there's a huge gap here between what the law is and what gets enforced. |
That kind of law getting enforced requires a complaint, who here has filed one? |
Have at it, bro. Let us know how it works out for you. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| Like I said, there's a huge gap here between what the law is and what gets enforced. |
That kind of law getting enforced requires a complaint, who here has filed one? |
Have at it, bro. Let us know how it works out for you. |
just as I expected.
How many expats does it take to change Korea?
1. They just stand there and expect the country to reshape itself around them as they please. |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| Like I said, there's a huge gap here between what the law is and what gets enforced. |
That kind of law getting enforced requires a complaint, who here has filed one? |
Have at it, bro. Let us know how it works out for you. |
just as I expected.
How many expats does it take to change Korea?
1. They just stand there and expect the country to reshape itself around them as they please. |
Hey noob, been there done that. All that happens is the party at fault gets a reprimand and told not to do that. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| Like I said, there's a huge gap here between what the law is and what gets enforced. |
That kind of law getting enforced requires a complaint, who here has filed one? |
Have at it, bro. Let us know how it works out for you. |
just as I expected.
How many expats does it take to change Korea?
1. They just stand there and expect the country to reshape itself around them as they please. |
Hey noob, been there done that. All that happens is the party at fault gets a reprimand and told not to do that. |
Can't fault the logic of someone with a join date of last month calling someone else a noob. Contrary to popular belief people don't sign up for Dave's the day they arrive in the country and then close their accounts the day they leave. |
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