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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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 Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:25 am Post subject: South Chungcheong Province cuts all public high school NETs |
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| F! This really sucks! So many places have announced cuts in the past few days. That province is a cool place to live too. And the Korean is spoken really slowly there compared to other areas, which makes it easier to understand. Does anyone have a full list of all the places that have announced cuts this week (and last week)? Ugh. Such terrible news. |
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Popocatepetl
Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Note that they are keeping their elementary school programme.
Cutting FT's for high school does not seem strange. When I was learning french at high school we did not have a native french teacher, it was unheard of. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Gyeongbuk is going to be cutting, it's only a matter of time of when they'll announce it. At least 30% from what I hear, almost all HS and tons of MS. I believe they currently have over 700 NET's.
So all you new guys applying with EPIK for next year, don't get your hopes up too high. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Salaries will be under 2.0 pretty soon.  |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| So all you new guys applying with EPIK for next year, don't get your hopes up too high. |
Right. Unless you are female, you stand almost no chance of getting it. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Popocatepetl wrote: |
Note that they are keeping their elementary school programme.
Cutting FT's for high school does not seem strange. When I was learning french at high school we did not have a native french teacher, it was unheard of. |
...and most English people in Canada suck at French.... |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
| Salaries will be under 2.0 pretty soon. |
Unless the economy turns around. (Globally, I mean.) |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Popocatepetl wrote: |
Note that they are keeping their elementary school programme.
Cutting FT's for high school does not seem strange. When I was learning french at high school we did not have a native french teacher, it was unheard of. |
...and most English people in Canada suck at French.... |
Actually, of the 4 French teachers I had in HS, 2 of them were from Quebec, and one spent like 20 years there.
But my French still sucks, for sure worse than your average Korean middle school student's English. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| EZE wrote: |
| Salaries will be under 2.0 pretty soon. |
Unless the economy turns around. (Globally, I mean.) |
The recovery has been going on for a long time now. In that time, the Korean ESL market got worse. Why? Growing awareness about ESL in South Africa (a poor country which up until 2007 was not even eligible for the E-2 visa). Each year, the market becomes more flooded with South African females (and a whole lot of South African males, too). (Females, even from South Africa, are more desirable than males from the U.S. or Canada.) The United States economy is not the sole determining force of the state of ESL in Korea. (But there is nothing I or anyone else could say to make you think otherwise.) |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| EZE wrote: |
| Salaries will be under 2.0 pretty soon. |
Unless the economy turns around. (Globally, I mean.) |
The recovery has been going on for a long time now. In that time, the Korean ESL market got worse. Why? Growing awareness about ESL in South Africa (a poor country which up until 2007 was not even eligible for the E-2 visa). Each year, the market becomes more flooded with South African females (and a whole lot of South African males, too). (Females, even from South Africa, are more desirable than males from the U.S. or Canada.) The United States economy is not the sole determining force of the state of ESL in Korea. (But there is nothing I or anyone else could say to make you think otherwise.) |
Recovering does not mean recovery. The US unemployment rate was 4 point something percent up until 2008. It is still currently over 7 %. Recovery is still not complete and youth unemployment rates are much higher still.
As for South Africa, I had met some in the country before this time. Even if the US recovered to a 5% unemployment rate in 2014, it would take Korea a year or two to get that export spin off. Economy here is bad too.
Elsewhere, I've already described pre 2009 Korea and post 2009 Korea. This was with South Aficans already in the country and others being here. It flipped from being an English teachers' market to being an employers' market. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
| Salaries will be under 2.0 pretty soon. |
Hell entry level salaries were under 2.0 when I first came to Korea and dogged it out in Cheonana 12 years ago. My first job was 1.8 and included Saturdays.
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| The recovery has been going on for a long time now. In that time, the Korean ESL market got worse. Why? |
Because it has been a jobless recovery and the euro zone in particular is holding things down. Korea has weathered it well but that's not saying much. With household debt as high as it is as well, the ESL market here has taken a beating since Lehman Brothers did their thing back in 2007.
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| Growing awareness about ESL in South Africa (a poor country which up until 2007 was not even eligible for the E-2 visa). Each year, the market becomes more flooded with South African females (and a whole lot of South African males, too). (Females, even from South Africa, are more desirable than males from the U.S. or Canada.) |
South Africa has been an eligible E-2 country for a while now? It's been the magic seven countries for as long as I can recall...
Please correct me if I am mistaken on this point. I did attempt an Internet search but it proved fruitless.
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| The United States economy is not the sole determining force of the state of ESL in Korea. (But there is nothing I or anyone else could say to make you think otherwise.) |
No you're right, but the problem isn't the US economy per se, which is on paper raging like a bull at the moment. It's US + EU + China + emerging markets + mutual recognition issues.
edit: Anyway, I am sad to hear that Chungnam is cutting back. I cut my teeth there and have always been fond of the region. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Increased awareness of ESL. Back in 2009 in the United States when I first learned about it, almost no one had even heard of teaching English in Korea. I asked around for more information but no one knew what I was talking about. It took me a long time to find friends of friends who had taught in Korea or knew anything about it. The only way I found out was my sister was a missionary and through that she found out about teaching ESL overseas.
Ask a long termer about the deterioration of ESL in Korea before 2009. It was certainly underway for a long time (though the exchange rate was good up until 2008). Starting in 2006, uni conditions began to get much worse. Had you come in 2005 and not 2006 Weigookin74, you'd probably be working in a uni now. All it took back then to get in was an unrelated BA (and maybe a year or two of hagwon or public school experience and a referral from someone who worked there).
The Great Recession began in 2007 and ended in June of 2009. The first time there were more EPIK applicants than open positions was the fall of 2009 (probably because people bragged on the internet about how great it was, so people decided to go the public school route instead of hagwons). It takes a while for information to spread. If South Africans were not allowed to teach here until 2007, then it would take a while for accounts and awareness to spread about the opportunity. Also, I heard South Africans used to be able to get working holiday visas to England, but that was cut. So now many come here. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
South Africa has been an eligible E-2 country for a while now? It's been the magic seven countries for as long as I can recall...
Please correct me if I am mistaken on this point. I did attempt an Internet search but it proved fruitless. |
I personally know a South African couple who had taught here before 2007, so I don't see how that date can be correct. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The law was amended in 2007 to allow teachers from South Africa to join the fray. |
http://groovekorea.com/article/koreas-efl-education-failing
Maybe South Africans were allowed in public schools starting in 2007? (Or the article is incorrect?) |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Increased awareness of ESL. Back in 2009 in the United States when I first learned about it, almost no one had even heard of teaching English in Korea. I asked around for more information but no one knew what I was talking about. It took me a long time to find friends of friends who had taught in Korea or knew anything about it. The only way I found out was my sister was a missionary and through that she found out about teaching ESL overseas.
Ask a long termer about the deterioration of ESL in Korea before 2009. It was certainly underway for a long time (though the exchange rate was good up until 2008). Starting in 2006, uni conditions began to get much worse. Had you come in 2005 and not 2006 Weigookin74, you'd probably be working in a uni now. All it took back then to get in was an unrelated BA (and maybe a year or two of hagwon or public school experience and a referral from someone who worked there).
The Great Recession began in 2007 and ended in June of 2009. The first time there were more EPIK applicants than open positions was the fall of 2009 (probably because people bragged on the internet about how great it was, so people decided to go the public school route instead of hagwons). It takes a while for information to spread. If South Africans were not allowed to teach here until 2007, then it would take a while for accounts and awareness to spread about the opportunity. Also, I heard South Africans used to be able to get working holiday visas to England, but that was cut. So now many come here. |
I agree with a lot of what you said. But I went to Amwrica in 2008 for a visit. It still felt like it was booming. Viewing stats on the internet, the unemployment rate slowly started rising. But, it was still low enough. In the fall of 2008 when there was the panic was when the slowdown accelerated and media spread fear and panic. It quashed any chance McCain had and propelled any doubters about Obama into office. By December 2008 and into the early months of 2009 is when the unemployment rate accelerated. While the recession officially ended mid way through 2009, the unemployment rate remained very high for the next couple of years. Though a bit lower today is still quite high at 7+.
The March 2009 EPIK intake was flooded with foriegners who showed up in March and not June, July, whenever. Compared to March 2008, very opposite. Also, 2009 and 2010, many hakwons started shutting down.
So, the recession is mostly responsible for this. Recruiters started hitting US campuses or maybe did before. The difference during the boom years was so did companies promising to hire grads. Not so much now. |
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