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cmxc
Joined: 19 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:41 pm Post subject: "Korean education": oxymoron? |
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For any ESL instructor working with young Koreans, you will understand how incomparably important the college entrance test is for young Korean high school students. One test, administered once per year, will determine a Korean student's entire future academic and career prospects.
Competition is so fierce that even a 1 point difference in score can keep a student from admission to the most prestigious universities in Korea, such as Seoul National University, Korea University, and Yonsei University. Not attending such universities can lead to a life time of social discrimination in employment, choice of spouse, promotion, etc, etc.
This year's Korean college entrance test contained a controversial question that asked the students to choose which had a higher GDP, North America under NAFTA or the EU. The map on the test had the year 2012 included in the caption.
The factual answer is that in the year 2012, North America had a larger GDP than EU. However, the text books from which the Korean college test questions are selected, asserted that the EU had a larger GDP than North America.
The question was worth 3 points! This question had a comparatively huge significance to the life of young Korean students and their future prospects. Students who answered the question according to their knowledge of the FACTS got the answer wrong! 3 points again is a huge scoring difference in such a competitive society.
Students attempted to sue the Ministry responsible for the test, but the Korean government defended the answer as based upon the text books even if the answer was not factually correct. Of course the courts upheld the Korean government and the students who were penalized for answering the question correctly are screwed for life!
If the Ministry is justified in claiming that the answer is based upon the text books with data from 2007-2010, how can they justify using the year 2012 in the caption for the test question??
You can see the exact question, including the map accompanying the question in the Korea Herald online article:
http://www.koreaherald.com/common_prog/newsprint.php?ud=20131204001013&dt=2
What does this incident highlight about Korea?
In Korea, truth and fact are irrelevant when they contradict authority and make authority look bad.
Again, it shows that Korea just cares about memorization of texts. They don't care about analysis, understanding, or right judgement.
Whoever made this test question is a moron for not fact checking and considering the possibility that in the year 2012, GDP rations might have changed as a result of the on-going global financial crisis!
If this is the definition of "education", then Koreans would all be better off ignorant.
Court dismisses demand to change answer to college exam question
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20131216001082 |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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The drama around the answer aside, it is a pretty ridiculous test question anyway. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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The students aren't screwed for life; they can take the test again.
That said, I agree that the government should have admitted the mistake rather than trying to whitewash it and that it does show one of the problems with "education" in Korea. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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They were damned if they upheld it, damned if they corrected it as both students would have had a legitimate reason to back their answer and choosing one way or the other is going to make the other side upset.
They should have just canceled the question altogether and calculated scores without that question included. Or included any answer as correct. However, I'm not sure how logistically feasible that would be.
But yeah, they aren't screwed for life. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
They were damned if they upheld it, damned if they corrected it as both students would have had a legitimate reason to back their answer and choosing one way or the other is going to make the other side upset.
They should have just canceled the question altogether and calculated scores without that question included. Or included any answer as correct. However, I'm not sure how logistically feasible that would be.
But yeah, they aren't screwed for life. |
I think that either of those options would have been better.
Not screwed for life⦠but they have to wait another year to re-test, no?
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: "Korean education": oxymoron? |
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cmxc wrote: |
...Of course the courts upheld the Korean government and the students who were penalized for answering the question correctly are screwed for life!...
What does this incident highlight about Korea?
In Korea, truth and fact are irrelevant when they contradict authority and make authority look bad.
Again, it shows that Korea just cares about memorization of texts. They don't care about analysis, understanding, or right judgement.
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As was already pointed out they aren't "screwed for life"
So what was that about truth and fact and understanding and right judgement?
Hoist on your own petard there. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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They aren't screwed, but it is a big deal and a big inconvenience. While there were probably no easy answers to this, there might have been a better solution. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ask those students and parents who missed out on a SKY school by one point if they are "screwed for life." I bet you most would say they are.
This whole thing is farcical. How many of those students who got the test question wrong actually knew that North America had surpassed the EU in GDP for 2012. I'm surprised this question made it onto the test. Korean educators are usually very careful about this sort of thing because they know that a test question open for debate would create a dong-storm. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I highly doubt a kid who's really capable of entering one of the SKY universities will be concerned for a measles few points. And for the parents of kids who 'missed' out on a SKY school, well, that's life and your kid probably wasn't as bright as you thought they were.
The students who enter SKY, will have more than made up for a few points in other sections of the test. Those SKY students are probably some of the brightest kids I've encountered and won't get tripped up be a few questions.
Stop getting carried away with all the English news articles that claim that Koreans are a failure if they aren't a grad of one of the SKY universities. Plenty of Koreans who live very successful lives that didn't attend a SKY school. Most of my students know they aren't destined for SKY, but many are more than qualified to study at any of the public National Universities in the country. Which, btw are also well regarded and can very much lead to a very 'successful' life. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer wrote: |
I highly doubt a kid who's really capable of entering one of the SKY universities will be concerned for a measles few points. And for the parents of kids who 'missed' out on a SKY school, well, that's life and your kid probably wasn't as bright as you thought they were.
The students who enter SKY, will have more than made up for a few points in other sections of the test. Those SKY students are probably some of the brightest kids I've encountered and won't get tripped up be a few questions.
Stop getting carried away with all the English news articles that claim that Koreans are a failure if they aren't a grad of one of the SKY universities. Plenty of Koreans who live very successful lives that didn't attend a SKY school. Most of my students know they aren't destined for SKY, but many are more than qualified to study at any of the public National Universities in the country. Which, btw are also well regarded and can very much lead to a very 'successful' life. |
On tests this competitive, one point can be the difference.
As for SKY universities, consider the percentage of students who sat out one, two, or three years to study for and re-take the admissions test to get in to a SKY school. One, it's obviously a bigger deal than you make it out to be, and two, a lot of them ain't all that bright. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer wrote: |
I highly doubt a kid who's really capable of entering one of the SKY universities will be concerned for a measles few points. And for the parents of kids who 'missed' out on a SKY school, well, that's life and your kid probably wasn't as bright as you thought they were.
The students who enter SKY, will have more than made up for a few points in other sections of the test. Those SKY students are probably some of the brightest kids I've encountered and won't get tripped up be a few questions.
Stop getting carried away with all the English news articles that claim that Koreans are a failure if they aren't a grad of one of the SKY universities. Plenty of Koreans who live very successful lives that didn't attend a SKY school. Most of my students know they aren't destined for SKY, but many are more than qualified to study at any of the public National Universities in the country. Which, btw are also well regarded and can very much lead to a very 'successful' life. |
Good points. But you are not Korean and you don't think like them. Why do parents here do the insane things they do in regards to their kids' educations? Thirst for knowledge? Ask any ten year old what university they hope to go to and they will all say Seoul National if not Harvard. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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radcon wrote: |
Why do parents here do the insane things they do in regards to their kids' educations? Thirst for knowledge? Ask any ten year old what university they hope to go to and they will all say Seoul National if not Harvard. |
That's why I always say it really isn't the education system that's the problem. It's Korean mothers.
Korea can have the best education system in the world, but if Minsu's friend gets higher grades, it just won't do... |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Why do parents here do the insane things they do in regards to their kids' educations? Thirst for knowledge? Ask any ten year old what university they hope to go to and they will all say Seoul National if not Harvard. |
Because something worth doing is worth doing well and aiming high. That's why when Koreans go into sports their parents might drive them really hard at it. Its why they'll practice at it over and over. It's why they'll blow that stupid money on the expensive sports crap. Some believe that if you are going to compete at it, you want the best. Now of course you also have ditzy Soo who just wants to look cute in her outfit and bounce a tennis ball over the net and wannabe Lance Armstrong Byun who are just doofuses with too much cash, but their is a method to some of their madness.
Hey, if you are going to do this whole "college thing", doesn't it sorta make sense to strive for the best and push yourself to do as well as you can?
One of my friends had students at the local technical high school and this kid was learning about welding. Rather than bemoaning his place in society or his future, his view was this- He wanted to be the best welder in Korea and would work his tail off to do it. None of the angst over meaning and such. This is the life he is going to have and since it is his life, its worth doing the best job you can and to work as hard as you can for it.
Now, that's not to excuse the competitive moming and status-seeking and other flaws in the education system, but there is more here going on than just the usual drive-by one-liners. And there are good reasons for aiming high that have a certain positivity to them. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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One of my friends had students at the local technical high school and this kid was learning about welding. Rather than bemoaning his place in society or his future, his view was this- He wanted to be the best welder in Korea and would work his tail off to do it. None of the angst over meaning and such. This is the life he is going to have and since it is his life, its worth doing the best job you can and to work as hard as you can for it.
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Wow, i agree with Steelrails...
FWIW - some great money to be made in welding, esp if you mix it up with deep sea diving for example.
Hard life - but $$$$! |
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mayorhaggar
Joined: 01 Jan 2013
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's a multiple choice question...probably most of the kids who picked the "wrong" answer just guessed, and vice versa.
As for why the government would insist a wrong answer from the book is the right answer, two words: rote learning. Another two words: saving face.
Korean education is based entirely on testing, and teaching to the test. It doesn't teach creativity or critical thinking anywhere as much. What's the point of being creative anyway, having a better idea than your boss makes you look bad. |
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