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Advice:Master in EDU, teacher certification 7 yrs experience

 
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leeshera



Joined: 15 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Advice:Master in EDU, teacher certification 7 yrs experience Reply with quote

Hello,

Seeking some advice. I would like to teach for a year in Korea. My main goal is to make money (like a majority of people). My brother recommends I teach at a University, based on my credentials. I have a BA, Master of Science in Education, a teaching certificate from Canada and over 7 years of formal classroom teaching in public schools. Unfortunately, I do not feel confident in going to the Middle East.

I would really appreciate any suggestions as to what type of schools to apply to, what areas are better, etc. Any comment is greatly appreciated! Thank-you so much.

L.
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Ocalmy



Joined: 18 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're looking for a break from the rigor of formal classroom teaching then any hagwon (EFL cram school) will do. It is often possible to make more money working for a competitive hagwon than working for a University. Especially hagwon's that specialize in test prep.

The real advantage to working at a Uni is the limited teaching hours and generous vacation time. The pay, however, is marginal and getting worse. If your primary goal is to save money it might not be the best option. If you'd like to travel a lot and experience Korean culture then maybe it's a good choice.

Also, if you're mainly interested in making money and don't mind working as hard/harder than you work in Canada then you should consider international schools. The link below includes a decent list of international schools in Korea.

http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=25&parentId=735&catSeq=&showMenuId=731


Good luck!
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leeshera



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot. Do they offer all the other benefits eg. housing, flight, severance, health/medical? Just searching around now. Thanks
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Ballerina2012



Joined: 17 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.profsabroad.com/?s=&radius=50&location=&latitude=&longitude=&full_address=&north_east_lng=&south_west_lng=&north_east_lat=&south_west_lat=
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wes1989



Joined: 07 Jun 2012

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Advice:Master in EDU, teacher certification 7 yrs experi Reply with quote

leeshera wrote:
Hello,

Seeking some advice. I would like to teach for a year in Korea. My main goal is to make money (like a majority of people). My brother recommends I teach at a University, based on my credentials. I have a BA, Master of Science in Education, a teaching certificate from Canada and over 7 years of formal classroom teaching in public schools. Unfortunately, I do not feel confident in going to the Middle East.

I would really appreciate any suggestions as to what type of schools to apply to, what areas are better, etc. Any comment is greatly appreciated! Thank-you so much.

L.


I don't understand. If your goal is to make money then you should stay in Canada. I feel like someone with your qualifications and experience should be making around 65k a year. You will probably make half that in Korea.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get that you want to travel and save money but shouldn't you have a tenured PS teaching job by now? I know of two people that just got contracts (after 3 years of supply teaching) in greater Toronto and they don't even have masters degrees.

Canadian teachers are paid way more than you will make in Korea even after deductions. Once you're at the end of the pay scale you're making 90k a year depending on the province.

If you really REALLY want to teach in asia, as said before, look at content teaching in accredited international schools (Korea has a lot of fake ones so be careful) At least there you should work with real professionals and get treated like one. Please...Don't waste your time with EFL (hagwon or university, same thing as in they are both dead end). There is a high chance you will work with bonehead individuals that lack professionalism and incompetent admin.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice:Master in EDU, teacher certification 7 yrs experi Reply with quote

leeshera wrote:
Hello,

Seeking some advice. I would like to teach for a year in Korea. My main goal is to make money (like a majority of people). My brother recommends I teach at a University, based on my credentials. I have a BA, Master of Science in Education, a teaching certificate from Canada and over 7 years of formal classroom teaching in public schools. Unfortunately, I do not feel confident in going to the Middle East.

I would really appreciate any suggestions as to what type of schools to apply to, what areas are better, etc. Any comment is greatly appreciated! Thank-you so much.

L.


With your credentials you should be looking at properly accredited international schools (globally). Salaries exceed what you will earn as an EFL teacher in Korea (or elsewhere).

If you want to make money and work in EFL then look at Taiwan public schools, Hong Kong NET

or consider places like:
http://www.searchassociates.com/ search associates,
http://www.tes.co.uk/jobs (pick an area of the planet you like to work in),
http://www.ibo.org (apply to individual schools and not the IBO)
etc.

to name a few for proper, international schools.

QUIT HANGING OUT ON EFL BOARDS.

.
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice:Master in EDU, teacher certification 7 yrs experi Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:

With your credentials you should be looking at properly accredited international schools (globally). Salaries exceed what you will earn as an EFL teacher in Korea (or elsewhere).

If you want to make money and work in EFL then look at Taiwan public schools, Hong Kong NET


There is good money to be made in test prep in Korea, unless you are not counting that as ESL, which it isn't really. It is certainly possible to make 60-100+ million won a year at a good TOEFL, SAT, AP hagwon in Seoul with fairly low tax deductions, to boot. Of course, you'd be working more hours, especially during intensives, and get much less vacation than you would at an international school job.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is good information, fustiancorduroy, but would you say it is applicable to those who did not graduate from a university ranked as one best in the world? You said you graduated from an American ivy league school (majoring in English no less). Most of us did not. Is it possible for a person who did not graduate from any extremely high ranked school to get into this business that you are in now? (If so, I'd like to get in.) I see ads all the time for the test prep hagwons in Seoul, but they say, "must have graduated from one of the top universities in the world." I didn't.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is good information, fustiancorduroy, but would you say it is applicable to those who did not graduate from a university ranked as one best in the world? You said you graduated from an American ivy league school (majoring in English no less). Most of us did not. Is it possible for a person who did not graduate from any extremely high ranked school to get into this business that you are in now? (If so, I'd like to get in.) I see ads all the time for the test prep hagwons in Seoul, but they say, "must have graduated from one of the top universities in the world." I didn't.


He was advertising for a job at his place back in May on the other site. See below

My hagwon in Daechi is looking for an experienced teacher to teach critical reading and writing. The students are from intermediate to advanced level and are mostly in elementary and middle school.

Ideally, the teacher can start in late June for a few days of training and start teaching the first week of July. The position is full time and requires around 20 to 25 hours of teaching a week during regular terms (more during intensives), most likely Monday through Friday. Saturday work should be available for extra pay. The salary is negotiable, but qualified teachers should be able to get at least 3.0 million a month with full benefits or over 3.5 million a month with no benefits. It is also possible to receive hourly pay starting around 30,000 an hour with benefits or 35,000 an hour without benefits. Exceptional teachers should be able to negotiate even better payment.

Teachers should have at least 2 years of teaching experience. A degree in English, TEFL, or linguistics is preferred. TOEFL, SAT, and other test-prep experience is a big plus. E2 visa sponsorship is possible, but F-series visa holders are preferred. You must also currently be in Korea.


They don't seem to require you to be an IVY league graduate. Nor are they offering 60-100 mil a year. However, he'll tell you he gets a lot more because he writes example test questions/is such an amazing teacher.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember he said he published several textbooks. He sounds like a smart and ambitious guy.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I remember he said he published several textbooks. He sounds like a smart and ambitious guy.


PM him. I'm sure he'll give you lots of information about how much money he makes. It's by far his favourite topic of conversation.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is good money to be made in test prep in Korea, unless you are not counting that as ESL, which it isn't really. It is certainly possible to make 60-100+ million won a year at a good TOEFL, SAT, AP hagwon in Seoul with fairly low tax deductions, to boot. Of course, you'd be working more hours, especially during intensives, and get much less vacation than you would at an international school job.


I did some per hour test prep in daechi to top up my income. You can make some good hourly pay but you will work for it and hard. Students, parents are demanding and there is a lot of prep and marking ( especially essays and the like). Depends on how much/stress you want. If I remember correctly The gyopos where I briefly worked made 4-5 million a month and 6-7 during intensives. Their jobs however depended on them being fluently bilingual and most of the came from good schools ( UCLA, Berkeley et.) which was extremely important for the parents and admin as they could justify charging their outrageous prices. They worked A LOT too. Hardly sustainable but for most of them Korea was a 1-2 year stopover to make coin, reconnect with family and then return to cali.

Again based on my experience, the money is there to be made, you just have to up your contact hours from 15-20 to 40-50 to get it. Most burn out after one year of doing so.

I think edwardcatflap raised getting into assessment before and I would agree that is the best way to increase your income without burning out. Look into IELTS examining etc. wouldn't know how to get into that though. I did BULATS through my main visa sponsor but the assessment work fluctuated.
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clarify about test-prep schools:

- People with degrees from "famous" schools are preferred, but you don't need a degree from Yale to teach test-prep. In fact, some of the best, most successful teachers I know graduated from state universities.

- Gyopos are preferred, as well, but if you are of non-Korean descent and a stellar teacher, you can still get hired.

- Typically, most jobs having starting pay around 3.5 to 4.0 million, but if you are charismatic and have a lot of experience, you can start at a higher pay. And generally, most places will give generous pay raises after 6 months or a year, from 4.0 to 5.0 to 6.0 million, for example.

It's all possible, you just need to try!
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the OP...

I would try international schools as you have the qualifications and experience and can get better pay and benefits. Such jobs do require a lot of hard work as they are closest to what a full time teaching job is back in a US or Canadian Public School.
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