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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: Teaching online via Skype from within Korea while working. |
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I've been building a strong rapport and an e-mail list of students (150+) at my current academy. I'm planning to attempt a go at online teaching, possibly with these students, in the future. I know that Korean labor law forbids me from working at another academy while on the E2, but what about freelancing online?
As many of my current students prefer small class sizes and try to adjust their schedules to get into smaller classes I think they might be interested in this. I'm especially looking at this as a viable alternative to similar academy style work if I eventually transition to SE Asia. From there I could still survive comfortably while undercutting the rates they pay here in the ROK. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Probably not legal the way you want to do it. However, there is an argument to be made (maybe not accepted though ) that you aren't really working in Korea to make money. The income would be recorded for tax purposes in your home country's currency or another country which allows teaching online. You would then be responsible for paying and reporting this. You could have investments back home and would be earning money also, or possibly renting a house out.
Will it fly? You probably have just as much luck convincing authorities this as you would have chances of getting caught.
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Troglodyte

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:41 am Post subject: |
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I suppose that there's a bit of gray area here but if your students are paying into a foreign bank account, then you're probably safe as far as visa restrictions go. There may be some questions about running a business that is based in Korea, but that's a side topic.
If you were working online for a foreign company or if you were teaching foreign students (e.g. students in Argentina, Russia, Spain, etc.) while you're in Korea then likely no one would know or care. The problem is that you're potentially taking students away from someone who knows who you are and likely knows where you live (and even if your boss/ex-boss doesn't know, immigration does). If someone else (e.g. your employer) starts losing clients, then he'll likely try to solve the problem by eliminating you from the picture (thus hopefully getting his clients/students back). So if he can report you to immigration then he will. Immigration might then have to investigate the complaint to see what you're up to. They will check your Korean bank account. No unaccountable deposits, so you'd be ok. They might ask some of your students though. If they do and the students say that you're teaching them online, then you might get a warning (or worse). I suppose that you could deny it. Your students might not say anything (unless someone is upset at you or dissatisfied).
In general, even if you were blatantly breaking the law by working at another school without permission, it's unlikely that you'd get more than a warning and possibly a fine. There is a lot of work involved in catching illegal workers and proving that they were in fact working illegally. The immigration guys are a lot more likely to go after illegal factory or farm worker (3-D worker) that can be caught in batches doing something which is clearly illegal and usually come from countries that Koreans consider dirty, as opposed to investing time and energy into investigating and MAYBE catching a foreign teacher. The potential payoff (if there is any) is much lower and most people (immigration officers included) honestly don't consider it a serious problem which is why most teachers who get caught get off with a warning.
Now if you're planning on leaving Korea but teaching Korean students online, that's another story. If you have something set up before you leave, you could teach those Korean students while you live in Thailand or China with no problem at all. Keep in mind that privates (and that what these are) have a high turnover rate. Even if you're good, they will eventually stop taking lessons because other stuff will come up. Your list of students will slowly dwindle away. If you're planning on staying outside Korea for more than a year, you might want to partner up with a Korean to help reel in more students over time. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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I did Skype classes for 18 months during my stint in the US before returning to Korea, and am still doing a few for students in the US while I am in Korea.
While I was in the US and my students were in Korea, and those students paid into my Korean bank account, and I was affiliated with a school based in Korea, I was considered to be earning money in Korea by both the Korean tax office and the US IRS. I paid Korean taxes on my earnings, and the folks at the IRS in the US were fine with it. (I DID get audited, but the lady was very pleasant, and confirmed that everything I had been doing was correct -- the reason for the audit was unrelated to the classes I was teaching.)
While in Korea, my students in America pay into an American Paypal account, in US dollars. I pay US taxes on my earnings from those classes. I am considered to be earning money in the US as far as those classes are concerned, by both the Korean tax office and the US IRS. I am also teaching at a school in Korea, and I did ask my boss about continuing the classes, but as has been pointed out, since the students I am teaching through Skype could not actually attend the school, then I am not competing with the school, nor stealing its students, and so I am fine as far as my contract is concerned.
...so, while you are here, if you are stealing students, you are breaking the strictures of your visa and your contract. Once you leave the country, if you are paid via a Korean bank account or Korean Paypal (they have that, right?), then you would be fine so long as you pay Korean taxes on earnings.
Skype classes have a whole slew of other problems connected to them, not the least of which is connectivity. If you are curious, ask away. |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:43 am Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
I did Skype classes for 18 months during my stint in the US before returning to Korea, and am still doing a few for students in the US while I am in Korea.
While I was in the US and my students were in Korea, and those students paid into my Korean bank account, and I was affiliated with a school based in Korea, I was considered to be earning money in Korea by both the Korean tax office and the US IRS. I paid Korean taxes on my earnings, and the folks at the IRS in the US were fine with it. (I DID get audited, but the lady was very pleasant, and confirmed that everything I had been doing was correct -- the reason for the audit was unrelated to the classes I was teaching.)
While in Korea, my students in America pay into an American Paypal account, in US dollars. I pay US taxes on my earnings from those classes. I am considered to be earning money in the US as far as those classes are concerned, by both the Korean tax office and the US IRS. I am also teaching at a school in Korea, and I did ask my boss about continuing the classes, but as has been pointed out, since the students I am teaching through Skype could not actually attend the school, then I am not competing with the school, nor stealing its students, and so I am fine as far as my contract is concerned.
...so, while you are here, if you are stealing students, you are breaking the strictures of your visa and your contract. Once you leave the country, if you are paid via a Korean bank account or Korean Paypal (they have that, right?), then you would be fine so long as you pay Korean taxes on earnings.
Skype classes have a whole slew of other problems connected to them, not the least of which is connectivity. If you are curious, ask away. |
In general, Skype lessons interest me greatly. I'm not sure where to begin though. I would really like to take some time off to go visit family while still being somewhat gainfully employed in this field. I think Skype-based teaching could really be awesome for a working holiday back in 'Merica. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
thegadfly wrote: |
I did Skype classes for 18 months during my stint in the US before returning to Korea, and am still doing a few for students in the US while I am in Korea.
While I was in the US and my students were in Korea, and those students paid into my Korean bank account, and I was affiliated with a school based in Korea, I was considered to be earning money in Korea by both the Korean tax office and the US IRS. I paid Korean taxes on my earnings, and the folks at the IRS in the US were fine with it. (I DID get audited, but the lady was very pleasant, and confirmed that everything I had been doing was correct -- the reason for the audit was unrelated to the classes I was teaching.)
While in Korea, my students in America pay into an American Paypal account, in US dollars. I pay US taxes on my earnings from those classes. I am considered to be earning money in the US as far as those classes are concerned, by both the Korean tax office and the US IRS. I am also teaching at a school in Korea, and I did ask my boss about continuing the classes, but as has been pointed out, since the students I am teaching through Skype could not actually attend the school, then I am not competing with the school, nor stealing its students, and so I am fine as far as my contract is concerned.
...so, while you are here, if you are stealing students, you are breaking the strictures of your visa and your contract. Once you leave the country, if you are paid via a Korean bank account or Korean Paypal (they have that, right?), then you would be fine so long as you pay Korean taxes on earnings.
Skype classes have a whole slew of other problems connected to them, not the least of which is connectivity. If you are curious, ask away. |
In general, Skype lessons interest me greatly. I'm not sure where to begin though. I would really like to take some time off to go visit family while still being somewhat gainfully employed in this field. I think Skype-based teaching could really be awesome for a working holiday back in 'Merica. |
Oh, I enjoyed it quite a bit, but there are all kinds of things you may not think of...for example, when I was living in Seattle, I had to teach from 2 am to 9 am local time to be available for my students on their Korean time table. When I moved back to Michigan, it was a more reasonable 4 am to 11 am.
American Internet connections are not quite as reliable as their Korean counterparts -- I would strongly suggest avoiding Verizon service....
As a Skype teacher, you will become an ersatz computer teacher and IT professional -- you will need to troubleshoot computer problems, without being in the room, with a language barrier. Hardware problems, software problems, program conflicts, or even a brother in the other room hogging the wifi bandwidth can mess with the class, all of which can be dealt with reasonably if you are teaching one-on-one classes, but if you have 5 other kids in the session, and one kid has the echo-y microphone that is buzzing and clicking in everyone's ears, SOMEONE is going to be pretty unhappy with the class, if not a lot of someones....
Then there are problems with reading student body language -- in a classroom, you can see what the kids have in their hands, where their eyes are focused, what they are doing. In a Skype session, the place they look (most likely your face on their screen) does not actually seem to be AT you -- and on their side, you never seem to look at them. This might seem minor, but it is fairly significant in the long run -- it is a sliver of annoyance on both sides. Making eye contact is part of speaking face-to-face with someone, and never being looked makes one feel ignored...and if your students feel ignored, they quit. |
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