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inbetween
Joined: 09 Feb 2014
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:36 am Post subject: Dual-citizen (gyopo?) returning to teach English in Korea |
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Hi all!
This is my first time posting on this forum, so please bear with me. I've been accepted to medical school, but am considering deferring a year to teach English in Korea so I can spend some time with my family and travel afterwards with whatever money I'm able to save. I was hoping to get some advice from more experienced members here as to how to go about doing this and what my best options would be. I'll start with a little bit of background about myself.
*) I'm have a US/Korean dual-citizenship and am completely bilingual (grew up speaking Korean at home). I guess this would make me a gyopo (..or am I? I'm still not entirely sure what defines a gyopo)
*) I graduated from an Ivy League university and have good standardized test scores (99th percentile and higher on both the SAT and MCAT).
*) Because my parents recently moved to Korea, housing isn't a priority, especially since one of my goals is to save at least some money prior to entering years of snowballing debt. This however, also means I would pretty much have to be in Seoul, which I realize is a pretty competitive job market.
As a side note, I lived in Korea for about 4 years during elementary school and have experienced their hagwon systems firsthand, so that's part of the reason I'm being so cautious about going into this myself without doing some more research.
One big thing I'm trying to sort through is that, given that I'm a gyopo, I'm not entirely sure whether Korean hagwons would be more or less willing to hire me. I don't have an accent of any sort, but I obviously still look Korean. Though apparently I still don't really fit in as everyone -- from grocers to hair stylists -- somehow seemed to be able to tell I wasn't "from" Korea when I visited last summer.
In any case, from what I've gathered from the threads here, test-prep hagwons seem more open to gyopos compared to other large chain hagwons like CDI or POLY. While they also seem to have the highest paying positions, however, I have a little bit of experience with Korean parents and know how, um, passionate they can be with their children's education. Since I'll have free housing, I'm willing to take a reasonable hit in income for a "better" working environment. I'd love some input as to what the working environments are like in test-prep vs general hagwons. I've also looked at more speaking-focused places like PEAI, ILE and Lex Kim, since they seem a little less draconian in having their teachers follow their exact curricula. If you have any advice in selecting the type of hagwon and which ones would be the most receptive to me, that'ed be great!
Thanks so much! Any and all input is welcome! |
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tardisrider

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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How can your scores be higher than 99th percentile? That doesn't make sense.
Are you male or female--do you have to worry about the military? |
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inbetween
Joined: 09 Feb 2014
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I scored in the 99th percentile for the SAT (800/800/790) and scored in the 99.6th percentile for the MCAT (13/14/12). I'm female so I fortunately don't have to worry about the military (I already cleared the dual-citizenship thing last summer). |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Dual citizen (so NO visa issues).
Housing available in Seoul.
Top 1% in SAT/MCAT
Fluently English/Korean bilingual.
Get a ticket.
Get to Seoul.
Get a job.
It'll require pounding the pavement a bit but is not that hard to do.
Wave your US passport around and you should have no problems finding work.
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inbetween
Joined: 09 Feb 2014
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks so much for the reply -- what's the general timeline for hiring? And are positions generally available year round? I was planning on returning in early September, so it'd be great to get an idea of how early I need to start looking into actual positions (i.e. start looking in the spring or just apply a few weeks before/when I get there).
Also, how flexible/receptive are employers with plans to stay less than a year? I'm worried no one will want to take someone who's only planning on staying from September to March/April-ish. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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inbetween wrote: |
Thanks so much for the reply -- what's the general timeline for hiring? And are positions generally available year round? I was planning on returning in early September, so it'd be great to get an idea of how early I need to start looking into actual positions (i.e. start looking in the spring or just apply a few weeks before/when I get there).
Also, how flexible/receptive are employers with plans to stay less than a year? I'm worried no one will want to take someone who's only planning on staying from September to March/April-ish. |
Your case is NOT the same as that of a usual E2 applicant since there are no visa issues.
Get a job.
Sign a contract if you want.
Leave at your convenience (as allowed by labor law).
You cannot sign away your right to cease work (in spite of what a contract may say - that part of said contract is void since it violates labor law) and an employer cannot legally force you to work (same labor law).
How long it will take you to get a job will depend on how hard you look.
Female, US passport and US undergrad degree in hand you should find work within a month of landing in Korea if you take your job search seriously.
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oppa637
Joined: 05 Dec 2011
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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So you have a degree?
Why come here and teach English? Just get hired at a company. With your specs, it should be relatively easy. PM me and I might be able to help you out. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously Seoul is great and it's nice you have a place to crash but housing is covered in your contract so don't limit yourself if you find a place far off from your parents.
Would you really want to live with them for a year anyways?? I understand the whole saving up some cash thing, but it's pretty darn easy to save up money on your own here. Plus it's your last year before you start medical school. Do you want to be sharing an apartment/small house with your folks looking over your shoulder? |
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inbetween
Joined: 09 Feb 2014
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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oppa637 wrote: |
So you have a degree?
Why come here and teach English? Just get hired at a company. With your specs, it should be relatively easy. PM me and I might be able to help you out. |
I graduated last year. I mostly wanted to take some time off before getting on the non-stop train of 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of residency so that I could spend time with my family and travel a bit while being able to reconnect with the Korean side of myself. Currently, I'm working at a university lab and am planning on staying until I leave to Korea, some time in late summer/early fall.
Unfortunately, I don't think I have PM privileges quite yet, but let me know if you have an alternative idea.
Hokie21 wrote: |
Obviously Seoul is great and it's nice you have a place to crash but housing is covered in your contract so don't limit yourself if you find a place far off from your parents.
Would you really want to live with them for a year anyways?? I understand the whole saving up some cash thing, but it's pretty darn easy to save up money on your own here. Plus it's your last year before you start medical school. Do you want to be sharing an apartment/small house with your folks looking over your shoulder? |
That's very true. I think my parents would mostly leave me alone, but I could see it potentially getting old after a while. I guess I'll keep that in mind, but at least have keep housing low on my list of priorities. I'm currently living in a fairly pricey city and half of my income goes to rent, so I just assumed not taking the housing option (either foregoing such positions or accepting whatever they offer as an alternative to housing) would make a significant difference. Where in Seoul do places usually provide housing? And is it usually in decent shape? |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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inbetween wrote: |
oppa637 wrote: |
So you have a degree?
Why come here and teach English? Just get hired at a company. With your specs, it should be relatively easy. PM me and I might be able to help you out. |
I graduated last year. I mostly wanted to take some time off before getting on the non-stop train of 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of residency so that I could spend time with my family and travel a bit while being able to reconnect with the Korean side of myself. Currently, I'm working at a university lab and am planning on staying until I leave to Korea, some time in late summer/early fall.
Unfortunately, I don't think I have PM privileges quite yet, but let me know if you have an alternative idea.
Hokie21 wrote: |
Obviously Seoul is great and it's nice you have a place to crash but housing is covered in your contract so don't limit yourself if you find a place far off from your parents.
Would you really want to live with them for a year anyways?? I understand the whole saving up some cash thing, but it's pretty darn easy to save up money on your own here. Plus it's your last year before you start medical school. Do you want to be sharing an apartment/small house with your folks looking over your shoulder? |
That's very true. I think my parents would mostly leave me alone, but I could see it potentially getting old after a while. I guess I'll keep that in mind, but at least have keep housing low on my list of priorities. I'm currently living in a fairly pricey city and half of my income goes to rent, so I just assumed not taking the housing option (either foregoing such positions or accepting whatever they offer as an alternative to housing) would make a significant difference. Where in Seoul do places usually provide housing? And is it usually in decent shape? |
Every school provides housing or housing allowance. It just depends where your school is. My apartment is an officetel, so it's on the smaller side but it's got a new washer, new fridge, new microwave, keyless lock plus a little CCTV guy to see whose outside my apartment. |
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andrewchon

Joined: 16 Nov 2008 Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:33 am Post subject: |
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A gyopo: is any Korean/ex-Korean who is living overseas. So, in your case you are one. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: |
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andrewchon wrote: |
A gyopo: is any Korean/ex-Korean who is living overseas. So, in your case you are one. |
Brilliant Andrew, absolutely fantastic.
Thanks for explaining that. Top notch post, fantastica.
You're a star, you really are.  |
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faeriehazel
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Kyopos with degrees from brand-name universities are in high demand in some sectors. I don't know who told you that CDI doesn't hire kyopos, because that is definitely not true; they were one of the first major hakwons to not discriminate between kyopos and foreigners. Also they LOVE having graduates from top universities - they recently put up a job ad on worknplay advertising specifically for graduates from a certain list of schools.
Unfortunately even with your specs you might not be able to get a job at the really high-paying SAT/boutique hakwons, because a lot of those places want teachers with experience.
CDI has lost quite a few of its best teachers in recent years to the smaller hakwons, so if you apply there they'd probably welcome you with open arms. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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if you speak korean you should use that year to do an internship and pad your resume. |
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inbetween
Joined: 09 Feb 2014
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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faeriehazel wrote: |
Kyopos with degrees from brand-name universities are in high demand in some sectors. I don't know who told you that CDI doesn't hire kyopos, because that is definitely not true; they were one of the first major hakwons to not discriminate between kyopos and foreigners. Also they LOVE having graduates from top universities - they recently put up a job ad on worknplay advertising specifically for graduates from a certain list of schools.
Unfortunately even with your specs you might not be able to get a job at the really high-paying SAT/boutique hakwons, because a lot of those places want teachers with experience.
CDI has lost quite a few of its best teachers in recent years to the smaller hakwons, so if you apply there they'd probably welcome you with open arms. |
How much teaching experience are the SAT hagwons looking for? I've tutored for 6 years and have taught SAT along the way, but haven't done anything official -- I'm guessing they prefer formal classroom teaching experience?
Good to know CDI is open to gyopos! Thanks, it seems I was mistaken. Opinions seem to be split, however, on their working environment and the administration's rigid expectations for its teachers. Any input on that and how it compares to other hagwons? If it's just a case of "hagwons can generally be a stressful place to be," I can suck it up, but if there are significantly better options, I'd like to explore those first. Also, was there any specific reason for the teacher exodus from CDI?
wishfullthinkng wrote: |
if you speak korean you should use that year to do an internship and pad your resume. |
I'm not really looking for any resume padding since I already know what the following stage of my life will be and what I actually do in Korea won't affect that in any way. Teaching English just seemed like one of the easier routes to take while spending some time there that didn't involve corporate-level stress. If that's not the case (which may very well be, since these opinions are based on my own limited impressions only), however, I'd love to know what other options there would be! |
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