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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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 Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:40 pm Post subject: OK to immediately leave PS job if told to quit right away? |
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Is it OK to just book flight and go tomorrow after I was told to quit job right away today by public elementary school co-teacher? She told me to quit right away and that they needed another teacher after I told them they are never satisfied despite how hard I work and I wasn't too keen on teaching extra classes above 22 for no extra pay.
I haven't been getting along well for almost 9 months where I'm at despite working very hard and always extremely awkward with being here any longer under these circumstances. My contract says I must give 60 days notice to quit, but there isn't any writing about how much notice the employer must give if fired. This was my 3rd public elementary school job in Korea after completing 2 contracts in Korea and getting along well. I regretted not staying where I was 3 years ago, but I quit to take a break home for a while.
I don't owe anything and my bills are paid for the month, can I be stopped from leaving? Really concerned, but know it would be right to just exit and known for quite some time I should have quit though I wanted to give it a chance. Thanks for your advice. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Reading your post made my head hurt, but thank you for the mental challenge!
In answer to your post, your CT cannot 'fire' you. Only the Principal can and only after written warnings (unless you do something super bad!)
Hand in your 2 months’ notice - do your job, ignore any BS.
Or quit right away, but write a letter to your MOE - telling them that your CT 'fired' you, and that is why you're leaving ASAP....... |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucas wrote: |
Reading your post made my head hurt, but thank you for the mental challenge!
In answer to your post, your CT cannot 'fire' you. Only the Principal can and only after written warnings (unless you do something super bad!)
Hand in your 2 months’ notice - do your job, ignore any BS.
Or quit right away, but write a letter to your MOE - telling them that your CT 'fired' you, and that is why you're leaving ASAP....... |
Is the MOE in Seoul or is it the provincial office? I'm leaving for Seoul in the morning and flying Friday, but feel I should let someone know what went wrong and why I'm quitting. The only thing my contract says about this is it may be effect my ability to enter Korea in the future if I break contract, but I'm not returning. It's really been so awful and now it's too bad to even come in tomorrow. I absolutely sickened with my situation I got myself into.
I got on really well and completed 2 public school contracts and this was my 3rd, but just always get negged out by my 2 co-teachers at this job who just keep the pressure to perform high with no regard for me as if I'm a punching bag and a thing to be used. I work hard and make a very strong effort and our students know it as they respond strongly positive to me, but I'm always stopped during class to be told I'm wrong and then our office is a cesspool of tension and persecution that I just absolutely dread to no end.
Both of my co-teachers speak excellent English, but always tell me I'm wrong with negative attitude, but tell me my negative attitude is on me. I'm miserable and feel I can't go on any longer like this. I'm coughing over the really strong perfume and being made to be miserable, literally. I've been contemplating quitting since last August, but wanted to give it a chance. I'm never late, I'm dressy every day in khaki's and Polo button shirts, and I'm always ready for class, but I'm always wrong as soon as I step in the door every morning. It's been really tense and it's just making me too nervous, sick, and miserable so it's time to go now that it was voiced. I can't come back in tomorrow and I'm leaving Korea by Friday. I no longer wish to teach here and do not need a LOR since I'm not interested in returning. I'm going to put in notice and leave immediately. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Is the MOE in Seoul or is it the provincial office? I'm leaving in the morning, but feel I should let someone know what went wrong and why I'm quitting. The only thing my contract says about this is it may be effect my ability to enter Korea in the future if I break contract, but I'm not returning.
I got on really well and completed 2 public school contracts and this was my 3rd, but just always get negged out by my 2 co-teachers at this job who just keep the pressure to perform high. I work hard and make a strong effort, but always stopped during class to be told I'm wrong and then the office is a cesspool of tension and persecution that I just absolutely dread to no end.
Both of my co-teachers speak excellent English, but always tell me I'm wrong with negative attitude, but tell me my negative attitude is on me. I'm miserable and feel I can't go on any longer like this. I'm coughing over the really strong perfume, literally. I've been contemplating quitting since last August, but wanted to give it a chance. I'm never late, I dressy every day in khaki's and Polo button shirts, and I'm always ready for class, but I am always wrong as soon as I step in the door. It's been really tense and it's just making me too nervous. I can't come back in tomorrow and I'm leaving Korea by Friday. I no longer wish to teach here and do not need a LOR since I'm not interested in it. I'm going to put in notice and leave immediately.
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Your MOE will be in the city (or closest large-medium) town that you work in.
Don't you have a foreign co-ordinator?
Which city/area do you work in? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: OK to immediately leave PS job if told to quit right awa |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
Is it OK to just book flight and go tomorrow after I was told to quit job right away today by public elementary school co-teacher? She told me to quit right away and that they needed another teacher after I told them they are never satisfied despite how hard I work and I wasn't too keen on teaching extra classes above 22 for no extra pay.
I haven't been getting along well for almost 9 months where I'm at despite working very hard and always extremely awkward with being here any longer under these circumstances. My contract says I must give 60 days notice to quit, but there isn't any writing about how much notice the employer must give if fired. This was my 3rd public elementary school job in Korea after completing 2 contracts in Korea and getting along well. I regretted not staying where I was 3 years ago, but I quit to take a break home for a while.
I don't owe anything and my bills are paid for the month, can I be stopped from leaving? Really concerned, but know it would be right to just exit and known for quite some time I should have quit though I wanted to give it a chance. Thanks for your advice. |
Can you leave without notice = yes.
Will you / can you be stopped = NO.
Will you lose any deposits they hold = probably.
Leave the day after payday if it suits you.
Finish the last 3 months and collect your severance and airfare is another option.
Tell your co-teacher to take a flying, F..king leap off the front steps of the school is another option.
They are LEGALLY required to give you 30 days notice IN WRITING (or pay in lieu) to fire you without "just cause" and refusing forced overtime or telling your co-teacher to piss-off is not "just cause" in the eyes of the labor board.
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:19 am Post subject: Re: OK to immediately leave PS job if told to quit right awa |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
Is it OK to just book flight and go tomorrow after I was told to quit job right away today by public elementary school co-teacher? She told me to quit right away and that they needed another teacher after I told them they are never satisfied despite how hard I work and I wasn't too keen on teaching extra classes above 22 for no extra pay.
I haven't been getting along well for almost 9 months where I'm at despite working very hard and always extremely awkward with being here any longer under these circumstances. My contract says I must give 60 days notice to quit, but there isn't any writing about how much notice the employer must give if fired. This was my 3rd public elementary school job in Korea after completing 2 contracts in Korea and getting along well. I regretted not staying where I was 3 years ago, but I quit to take a break home for a while.
I don't owe anything and my bills are paid for the month, can I be stopped from leaving? Really concerned, but know it would be right to just exit and known for quite some time I should have quit though I wanted to give it a chance. Thanks for your advice. |
Can you leave without notice = yes.
Will you / can you be stopped = NO.
Will you lose any deposits they hold = probably.
Leave the day after payday if it suits you.
Finish the last 3 months and collect your severance and airfare is another option.
Tell your co-teacher to take a flying, F..king leap off the front steps of the school is another option.
They are LEGALLY required to give you 30 days notice IN WRITING (or pay in lieu) to fire you without "just cause" and refusing forced overtime or telling your co-teacher to piss-off is not "just cause" in the eyes of the labor board.
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I noticed my contract only states I have to give 60 days or have future entry into Korea effected as it's worded, but doesn't state a such time period on termination or quitting other than employee must leave within 14 days if visa terminated. With being verbally told in hateful spirit to just quit job right away and that they needed a new teacher, I just said, "OK," and stayed quiet the remaining 2 hours of afternoon sitting time. Since I know it's wise to leave if hatefully told to leave, I was hesitant to engage the conversation any further other than agreeing with an, "OK," as I didn't want any more arguments knowing I can't win. I've tried in vain with my best effort to do good, but was shot down often telling me I'm too old by grudgingly telling me in a negative manner I have to eat first when I shared snacks numerous times. They decided from first day they wasn't going to like me and it's just been an increasingly miserable uphill battle impossible to resolve since they just make more conflicts after one thing resolves and there's temporarily some harmony. This is a really bad public school job I come to find the last foreign teacher was ran off too so they didn't have anyone for 5 weeks. This was why my recruiter was pressuring me to fly over without a visa saying I could go to Japan, but I insisted I get the visa stamp and did so. I was made out to be wrong from the first day for taking too long to come to Korea which was wrong though I just ignored this and signed contract on first day sensing there was incongruity about the whole situation due to having successfully completed 2 contracts and understanding enough to hit the ground running. It took 1 week to apply for and accept job and then 4 weeks to acquire my passport with visa stamp, but I was scolded and negged by recruiter and co-teachers on my first day. They were always stopping me during classes to tell me I'm wrong and then outside of classes I'd ask what's wrong and what needs fixed, but they'd just get all emotional and dramatic. It's been frustrating as hell and I'm done after seeing and then hearing how it really is.
Due to being hated on so much since last August, I've thought many of times to quit and had a ticket booked that I changed a few times already, but never threatened it nor insulted anyone where I'd focus on my job all the way up until 2pm today. If this hadn't been a 1 year visa tied to the employer, I would had quit a long time ago and found another job, but I wanted to finish my contract. I know how to teach kids, love kids, and get on great with them, but my 2 co-teachers are always just so hard on me and I know I need to go where I'll be appreciated though I know I'm finished in Korea since breaking this public school contract does state I'll be reported to immigration and future entry into ROK will be effected. This messes me up as if it's a crime to quit without giving 60 days. I'm scared I'll be stopped on account of some made up lies. I can't go on living like this and my 2 co-teachers know they are hatefully running me off. I most certainly see myself being happy teaching the kids of Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam, or Cambodia.
Since they are obviously hatefully running me off same as with last teacher, It's obvious I didn't have a chance, because they already told me they can handle the classes without me and don't want foreign co-teachers. Yes, my two co-teachers can speak and teach English quite very well which I give them credit and respect for, but are too emotional, overly judgmental, and confrontational even though I've tried and tried to get along. I've tried until I was blue in my face and nothing gives where the only time I get along is sometimes fake respect comes from my working hard and trying to rationalize the situation. There is nothing rational and logic about the entire experience and I need to be gone before I get any sicker.
I already talked to my foreign coordinator many times of this issue and he says he can't help as he has no power as he isn't in with the bosses in the county education office as no one really speaks English above my 2 co-teachers. All the other teachers in surrounding smaller schools get on well and are never stopped to be told they are wrong nor are they dealing with a bunch of nonsense stress where they all say they enjoy their situations which are exactly like my old job situations. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed my contract only states I have to give 60 days or have future entry into Korea effected as it's worded, but doesn't state a such time period on termination or quitting other than employee must leave within 14 days if visa terminated. With being verbally told in hateful spirit to just quit job right away and that they needed a new teacher, I just said, "OK," and stayed quiet the remaining 2 hours of afternoon sitting time. Since I know it's wise to leave if hatefully told to leave, I was hesitant to engage the conversation any further other than agreeing with an, "OK," as I didn't want any more arguments knowing I can't win. I've tried in vain with my best effort to do good, but was shot down often telling me I'm too old by grudgingly telling me in a negative manner I have to eat first when I shared snacks numerous times. They decided from first day they wasn't going to like me and it's just been an increasingly miserable uphill battle impossible to resolve since they just make more conflicts after one thing resolves and there's temporarily some harmony. This is a really bad public school job I come to find the last foreign teacher was ran off too so they didn't have anyone for 5 weeks. This was why my recruiter was pressuring me to fly over without a visa saying I could go to Japan, but I insisted I get the visa stamp and did so. I was made out to be wrong from the first day for taking too long to come to Korea which was wrong though I just ignored this and signed contract on first day sensing there was incongruity about the whole situation due to having successfully completed 2 contracts and understanding enough to hit the ground running. It took 1 week to apply for and accept job and then 4 weeks to acquire my passport with visa stamp, but I was scolded and negged by recruiter and co-teachers on my first day. They were always stopping me during classes to tell me I'm wrong and then outside of classes I'd ask what's wrong and what needs fixed, but they'd just get all emotional and dramatic. It's been frustrating as hell and I'm done after seeing and then hearing how it really is.
Due to being hated on so much since last August, I've thought many of times to quit and had a ticket booked that I changed a few times already, but never threatened it nor insulted anyone where I'd focus on my job all the way up until 2pm today. If this hadn't been a 1 year visa tied to the employer, I would had quit a long time ago and found another job, but I wanted to finish my contract. I know how to teach kids, love kids, and get on great with them, but my 2 co-teachers are always just so hard on me and I know I need to go where I'll be appreciated though I know I'm finished in Korea since breaking this public school contract does state I'll be reported to immigration and future entry into ROK will be effected. This messes me up as if it's a crime to quit without giving 60 days. I'm scared I'll be stopped on account of some made up lies. I can't go on living like this and my 2 co-teachers know they are hatefully running me off. I most certainly see myself being happy teaching the kids of Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam, or Cambodia.
Since they are obviously hatefully running me off same as with last teacher, It's obvious I didn't have a chance, because they already told me they can handle the classes without me and don't want foreign co-teachers. Yes, my two co-teachers can speak and teach English quite very well which I give them credit and respect for, but are too emotional, overly judgmental, and confrontational even though I've tried and tried to get along. I've tried until I was blue in my face and nothing gives where the only time I get along is sometimes fake respect comes from my working hard and trying to rationalize the situation. There is nothing rational and logic about the entire experience and I need to be gone before I get any sicker.
I already talked to my foreign coordinator many times of this issue and he says he can't help as he has no power as he isn't in with the bosses in the county education office as no one really speaks English above my 2 co-teachers. All the other teachers in surrounding smaller schools get on well and are never stopped to be told they are wrong nor are they dealing with a bunch of nonsense stress where they all say they enjoy their situations which are exactly like my old job situations. |
Is English your first language? |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to give you the lifetime award for worst English ever on this forum. This post is either a clever joke, or just tragic. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| So, did you go to work or bug out? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Your co-teachers do NOT have the authority to fire you. That is the POE/Principal's prerogative alone.
And yes you will be affecting any future entry into Korea by this. Why not just ignore them and finish out your contract? |
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wonkavite62
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: Public School Job |
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I was horrified to read that your co-teacher has told you to just quit! 
I would never have expected that to happen in a public school in Korea. My complaints are NOT about school. It's the lack of social life. If I were you, I would be contacting the Board of Education, to ask them what your rights are. If you just quit, you may be barred from working in Korea at all for several years. You won't get severance pay or flight money or housing deposit back. You will appear to be at fault.
It's the co-teacher who's a problem. Don't give them the satisfaction!
Your contract says that you MUST give 60 days' notice before leaving Korea. In my province we met staff from the board of education during orientation. They said if we have problems we should contact them There will be someone in your province to contact. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Your co-teachers do NOT have the authority to fire you. That is the POE/Principal's prerogative alone. |
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| And yes you will be affecting any future entry into Korea by this. |
You'll be affecting any future EPIK employment and, perhaps, employment with private schools. It won't affect your future entry otherwise.
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| Why not just ignore them and finish out your contract? |
I can readily see a number of possibilities, at least a couple of which I was facing back in 2012 when I finally got fed up with an EPIK school screwing around with the contract, literally a new violation a day when their previous violations didn't fly. It gets old rapidly going to the Office of Education section that's supposed to take care of the foreign teachers, especially when said office doesn't. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Public School Job |
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| wonkavite62 wrote: |
| Your contract says that you MUST give 60 days' notice before leaving Korea. |
The law says otherwise. |
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jcd
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Since you don't care if you come back to Korea, why don't you try messing with your coteachers. You can do whatever you want with no consequences and all you have to worry about are two people not liking you, and you already know you don't like them.
Are you sure they speak excellent English. I mean judging from your writing, maybe you are too distraught, you probably don't even notice how much they screw up and when.
My last nutty coteacher was under a lot of pressure to get along with me, the last teacher cried and quit, and she was so messed up that she failed again with me.
Is your school one of the ones that got rid of the native teacher program, but your contract started during the school year? Maybe after you they will not have to get a new one, and they just want you to go so they can teach them Konglish.
You might make a statement by leaving, if there is going to be another teacher replacing you. I would consider waiting out the next few months to get the cash. Just ignore them.
Vietnam and Thailand are awesome to work in but less benefits. |
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Troglodyte
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| And yes you will be affecting any future entry into Korea by this. |
You'll be affecting any future EPIK employment and, perhaps, employment with private schools. It won't affect your future entry otherwise.
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True. And it might not even keep you from getting an EPIK job in the future (although it will look very bad on your record). I've known a few people who left and later got an EPIK again. |
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