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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:00 am    Post subject: Why I left Korea Reply with quote

I left Korea this year for only 1 reason. In Korea I was always a foreigner even though I had permanent residency. In Australia my Korean wife has permanent residency and for all day to day dealings she is Australian. Perhaps there's a lesson there.[/quote]
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. You'd always be a foreigner no matter how long you lived here or how perfect your Korean ability is. People just have to accept that. If you accept that very early on then it won't bother you so much. Just exploit what both Korea and Australia offer and you can make the 2 places your home over the long term. Best of luck to you both.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of anti-Asian xenophobia in Oz.

Probably not so bad in the cities.
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basic69isokay



Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got out at the right time.
Like leaving a party before the police arrive.
Good work.
Are you able to find work back home to support your wife?
How's she finding it living in a foreign country?
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife's biggest difficulty in moving to Canada is the Korean/foreigner divide in her own head. She's treated like everyone else here, but I notice it's still in her head. She sort of has difficulty internalizing that race isn't significant.
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SHGator428



Joined: 05 Sep 2014

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left because it became a stale (although comfortable and familiar) existence. If I wanted that kind of life, I could either move back home or try somewhere else.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
My wife's biggest difficulty in moving to Canada is the Korean/foreigner divide in her own head. She's treated like everyone else here, but I notice it's still in her head. She sort of has difficulty internalizing that race isn't significant.


Try telling that to the First Nations folks, especially to Betty Osborne's family.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
My wife's biggest difficulty in moving to Canada is the Korean/foreigner divide in her own head. She's treated like everyone else here, but I notice it's still in her head. She sort of has difficulty internalizing that race isn't significant.


Try telling that to the First Nations folks, especially to Betty Osborne's family.

Race is often a factor. But it also could be that she built up some kind of utopian like fantasy of Canada, but now realizes its just another country with it's own set of issues.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Race is often a factor. But it also could be that she built up some kind of utopian like fantasy of Canada, but now realizes its just another country with it's own set of issues.


Possibly; however, my point is that, even in Canada, "everyone else" is not treated the same.
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Betty Osborne's case was sad. The Pas is a shithole or racial divide. I know white guys from there who left and said they'd never go back, lest be murdered for the colour of their skin.

I used to have sympathy for the first nations cases. I lost it somewhere along the way when the government completely opened their wallet to them and nothing ever changed.

CentralCali wrote:
Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
My wife's biggest difficulty in moving to Canada is the Korean/foreigner divide in her own head. She's treated like everyone else here, but I notice it's still in her head. She sort of has difficulty internalizing that race isn't significant.


Try telling that to the First Nations folks, especially to Betty Osborne's family.
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living in Korea is like living in a 2 dimensional world.
My wife and I are quite happy to have left it. I say 'quite' because the cost of setting up a new life has been more of a shock than we thought, but for once we both feel like all our senses are engaged again.

I'm so proud of my wife, who I thought was a very timid, shy woman. She's broken out of her shell and has already made a few very good friends from Peru, Iraq,, and Korea, and she's also been able to find a part time job on her own. Her English skills have gone from low intermediate to advanced in 6 months and now she's talking about going back to school to become a pharmacy assistant. She was impressed to learn that there are government grants available for her tuition and a ton of free language and training programs .

If she were still in Korea, she'd still be tugging the line as an Art hogwan teacher in an industry almost extinct, trapped by the suffocating degree of ageism, sexism and classism that pervades.

Oh, and then there's the freedom to chill out and smoke a jay whenever the hell we want.
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basic69isokay



Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
Living in Korea is like living in a 2 dimensional world.
My wife and I are quite happy to have left it. I say 'quite' because the cost of setting up a new life has been more of a shock than we thought, but for once we both feel like all our senses are engaged again.

I'm so proud of my wife, who I thought was a very timid, shy woman. She's broken out of her shell and has already made a few very good friends from Peru, Iraq,, and Korea, and she's also been able to find a part time job on her own. Her English skills have gone from low intermediate to advanced in 6 months and now she's talking about going back to school to become a pharmacy assistant. She was impressed to learn that there are government grants available for her tuition and a ton of free language and training programs .

If she were still in Korea, she'd still be tugging the line as an Art hogwan teacher in an industry almost extinct, trapped by the suffocating degree of ageism, sexism and classism that pervades.

Oh, and then there's the freedom to chill out and smoke a jay whenever the hell we want.

Nice! Yea the realities of Korea are pretty harsh.
Good work getting out
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Why I left Korea Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
I left Korea this year for only 1 reason. In Korea I was always a foreigner even though I had permanent residency. In Australia my Korean wife has permanent residency and for all day to day dealings she is Australian. Perhaps there's a lesson there.


You'd experience the same in many other countries, just saying.
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Sister Ray



Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Why I left Korea Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
I left Korea this year for only 1 reason. In Korea I was always a foreigner even though I had permanent residency. In Australia my Korean wife has permanent residency and for all day to day dealings she is Australian.


That's interesting. I like the "foreigner" experience -being separated from the majority population allows me to feel more comfortable.

For example, if I were an Australian living in Australia now I would be terribly ashamed and upset with the recent developments under Tony Abbott's government.

However, in Japan, despite Abe also being a moron (perhaps not as obnoxious as Abbott, however,) it doesn't bother me. I'm in Japan but my lack of investment and involvement in civic life insulates me from getting too annoyed with it. Similarly when I was in Korea, Park probably is as obnoxious as Abbott, but I didn't really care.

It's hard to explain, but, for me, it takes a lot of mental stress out of my life not having to feel in some way connected to the majority. I can observe the appalling state of society but not feel in some way responsible like I would at home.

Vive le étranger.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm so proud of my wife, who I thought was a very timid, shy woman. She's broken out of her shell and has already made a few very good friends from Peru, Iraq,, and Korea, and she's also been able to find a part time job on her own. Her English skills have gone from low intermediate to advanced in 6 months and now she's talking about going back to school to become a pharmacy assistant. She was impressed to learn that there are government grants available for her tuition and a ton of free language and training programs .


She played you well. Wink

Only joking! Glad it's working out for the two of you.
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