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PEIGUY
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coralreefer_1
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Another article about privileged Korean journalists thinking that they should be treated like royalty.
Yes, Korean Air and Asiana may be extra nice to their Korean customers but that's because they realize that their Korean customers cannot think for themselves and need to be babied through every step of the way. Grow up Koreans! |
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Died By Bear
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Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:28 am Post subject: |
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All in all, it was the Korean reporters who made a mess of things, since everything started when they mistook their flight time.
Yes, it sure was. Grow up and behave yourselves properly - then you'll get more respect. Or just fly Korean Air, they might be willing to play mommy with you, but don't expect the rest of the world to baby you. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| All ten of them thought the time on their tickets was the boarding time instead of the time on their boarding passes. And these are foreign correspondents? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| So the headline launches an accusation of racism, which is is immediately dismissed in the very first paragraph of the article, the rest of which is devoted to scolding an airline for not doing more to insulate a group of Koreans from the consequences of their own error? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
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The author wrote "so to Koreans who are used to putting efficiency above all else." Koreans lecturing Germans on efficiency? That's rich.
"Why fly anything else?" (other than KAL or Asiana) 1. price 2. to avoid crashes caused by the pilots adhering to confucian ideals. The waitresses on Korean airlines are young and pleasant however. |
So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct? |
I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash
Not a strictly Asian phenomenon. It took a serious yahoo doing it repeatedly for people to start to speak up, and its used as an example of inadequate crew resource management.
Again, every accident and mishap here seems to be cited as culture, but when that happens back home, we just think its bad individuals.
If it is culture, I think its more an issue of military and hierarchical cultures than Confucian. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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So when non-Korean airlines have mishaps, those are because of culture as well, correct?
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Maybe if there was an incident when a young maverick pilot on a US airline ignored protocol and direct orders from his superiors and strayed from the flight path to help a colleague in another plane in trouble because friendship is more important than the rule book, then you could blame it on American culture. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, Steelrails, if an article had been written by a westerner about the plane crash in the same mode that the article in the original post was written, it would have looked something like this:
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Dear Confucius, Why Do You Cause Plane Crashes?
Was the recent crash of a Korean-piloted plane caused by adherence to a few vaguely Confucian ideals? Probably not, but it's the first thing that popped in my mind when it happened. On an entirely different note, blah blah blah ... |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| So the headline launches an accusation of racism, which is is immediately dismissed in the very first paragraph of the article, the rest of which is devoted to scolding an airline for not doing more to insulate a group of Koreans from the consequences of their own error? |
Yes, and this is why the article and the logic is laughable.
Tough shit.
On the other hand, at least Korean employees don't steal from your luggage like American employees do. In the news tonight; 17 contract workers that had all passed background checks were arrested by undercover officers in a sting operation across the country for stealing from passengers. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what you are trying to say here. Co-pilots on various Asian airlines have admitted to keeping their mouths shut, despite knowing something was wrong, in order to not cause the senior pilot to lose face. |
It isn't a Confucian thing, but a military thing. You see these problems in every country where the airline pilots come from military background. The USA actually was one of the major "problem countries" in this area for a while when the issue became known in the 1990s. Gladwell's theory on Korean culture being the blame is full of holes once you actually dissect his arguments and realize he is intentionally leaving out information to make his ethnocentric point,. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| It's absolutely a-OK to criticize Koreans. South Korea has been under the glorious western control for over 50 years and yet, its citizens still have low sense of morality. |
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