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AfroBurrito
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Woah~ but i dont get it. How is a society exclusive of its youth? What would that mean? |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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No way. Kids here would say theyre happy, because all the know if hagwon and competition, then in that case maybe. Kids here are miserable and dying to play and be free.
Oh well, subjectivism |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:35 am Post subject: |
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It's hard to believe some of you guys have degrees, read the measures for this report, it's on pages 22-23. It's just not pure happiness that is measured, but access to health, no deadly diseases running rampant in the general population, educational opportunities, safety... etc... etc...
Considering all the measure, I do believe it. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
It's hard to believe some of you guys have degrees, read the measures for this report, it's on pages 22-23. It's just not pure happiness that is measured, but access to health, no deadly diseases running rampant in the general population, educational opportunities, safety... etc... etc...
Considering all the measure, I do believe it. |
jvalmer, you appear to be upset. Are you honestly suggesting that folks don't have degrees? |
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BackRow
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Well, first and last time they do this study I imagine, can't imagine many organizations paying for such a joke of a report |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
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It's hard to believe some of you guys have degrees, read the measures for this report, it's on pages 22-23. It's just not pure happiness that is measured, but access to health, no deadly diseases running rampant in the general population, educational opportunities, safety... etc... etc...
Considering all the measure, I do believe it. |
jvalmer, you appear to be upset. Are you honestly suggesting that folks don't have degrees? |
I'm just saying it's surprising that some have degrees. You're supposed to read a report (or at least scan through it). |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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I just want to interject something here- It's great that the U.S. and S. Korea rank so high, I guess, but am I the only person who does not think "happiness" is the ultimate goal of one's life? That sounds rather like hedonism to me. Isn't it more important to contribute to society, do the right thing, be responsible, fulfill one's duties and obligations, and make sound moral choices, even if it might make one less happy or even, dare I say, unhappy? And one might not always get happiness out of doing such things. Also, at times, isn't it important to sacrifice one's own happiness, say for your family? And might sacrificing fun and "happiness" in the present by studying and saving, prevent unhappiness in the future? How can we quantify that?
Also, if this study had shown Korea ranking at the bottom, everyone would take it as gospel truth. However, because it shows a result that they don't want and didn't expect, they reject it out of hand. Should they keep on doing the whole study until they get the "right" result? |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I just want to interject something here- It's great that the U.S. and S. Korea rank so high, I guess, but am I the only person who does not think "happiness" is the ultimate goal of one's life? That sounds rather like hedonism to me. Isn't it more important to contribute to society, do the right thing, be responsible, fulfill one's duties and obligations, and make sound moral choices, even if it might make one less happy or even, dare I say, unhappy? And one might not always get happiness out of doing such things. Also, at times, isn't it important to sacrifice one's own happiness, say for your family? And might sacrificing fun and "happiness" in the present by studying and saving, prevent unhappiness in the future? How can we quantify that?
Also, if this study had shown Korea ranking at the bottom, everyone would take it as gospel truth. However, because it shows a result that they don't want and didn't expect, they reject it out of hand. Should they keep on doing the whole study until they get the "right" result? |
Steelrails, most adults have already come to terms with the fact that they will never be truly happy. So, instead, they look for moments of happiness or strive toward what will make them happy anyway despite their experience. That includes sacrifice or the IMPORTANT things you mentioned. But, isn't it equally selfish because it's driven by a desire to be happy? To me, it's all the same.
People's gripes about Korea are valid in that they haven't grown up here. That being said, the Koreans that I'm close with also view their fellow countryfolk with suspicion, and are on guard all the time. As an American, I believe we are paranoid, but paranoid of random people on the street. Not people that are close and don't have guns.There's a difference. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I quickly skimmed the report (Ill, read it properly later) and the first thing I expected to find, was a definition if 'wellbeing'. It is however, neatly tucked away somewhere in the article.
It defines wellbeing (in relation to youths) as related to access to work opportunities after school, access to health services etc.
I would guess that the researchers looked at the unemployment figures, student pass rate etc. and summarised remotely (ie far away from the case study without interviewing anyone directly), before drawing their results (considering the amount of countries this report covered).
I would therefore like to make my own summary. The results of this study are very ambiguous and therefore as much use as a bag of bent cocks. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I just want to interject something here- It's great that the U.S. and S. Korea rank so high, I guess, but am I the only person who does not think "happiness" is the ultimate goal of one's life? That sounds rather like hedonism to me. Isn't it more important to contribute to society, do the right thing, be responsible, fulfill one's duties and obligations, and make sound moral choices, even if it might make one less happy or even, dare I say, unhappy? And one might not always get happiness out of doing such things. Also, at times, isn't it important to sacrifice one's own happiness, say for your family? And might sacrificing fun and "happiness" in the present by studying and saving, prevent unhappiness in the future? How can we quantify that?
Also, if this study had shown Korea ranking at the bottom, everyone would take it as gospel truth. However, because it shows a result that they don't want and didn't expect, they reject it out of hand. Should they keep on doing the whole study until they get the "right" result? |
People's gripes about Korea are valid in that they haven't grown up here. That being said, the Koreans that I'm close with also view their fellow countryfolk with suspicion, and are on guard all the time. As an American, I believe we are paranoid, but paranoid of random people on the street. Not people that are close and don't have guns.There's a difference. |
I think the suicide/cosmetic surgery/health related deaths etc. statistics give a more accurate picture of happiness.
Action statistics speak louder than made up statistics.
As for Americans not being trusting, I agree. However, Ive noticed it more to do with the culture of not trusting foreigners (taking away your freedom/liberty, threatening violence etc.) which has been deeply routed since you declared independence and is regurgitated every now and again (eg Reagan/Bush administrations).
In some ways, Id say Americans and Koreans are very similar. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Stain wrote: |
People's gripes about Korea are valid in that they haven't grown up here. That being said, the Koreans that I'm close with also view their fellow countryfolk with suspicion, and are on guard all the time. As an American, I believe we are paranoid, but paranoid of random people on the street. Not people that are close and don't have guns.There's a difference. |
I'm not talking about gripes, I'm talking about two things- 1) Whether 'happiness' truly is the ultimate goal we now make it in society. 2)People's bias in accepting a study as valid or not based on whether or not it gave the "right" answer. I strongly suspect that had the survey contained the exact same criteria, but given a different result, people might be far more accepting of it.
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think the suicide/cosmetic surgery/health related deaths etc. statistics give a more accurate picture of happiness.
Action statistics speak louder than made up statistics. |
First, statistics aren't made up, any more than the number of suicide-related deaths are.
Next, as I said, I'm not sure other people around the world put "happiness" on the pedestal that modern Americans do. Heck, Even 60 years ago in America and England, to view happiness as the most important outcome in life above say, God or duty, would get the person viewed as a sinful hedonist.
The question is- Does 'happiness' really deserve to be such an exalted goal? |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Pharrell taught me how to be happy. Seriously though, does every user on Dave's think every Korean kid above the age of 5-ish is in a hagwon all day long? It's just not true. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Pharrell taught me how to be happy. Seriously though, does every user on Dave's think every Korean kid above the age of 5-ish is in a hagwon all day long? It's just not true. |
I definatley think you need need some stats to back that statement up  |
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greene
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Isn't it more important to contribute to society, do the right thing, be responsible, fulfill one's duties and obligations, and make sound moral choices, even if it might make one less happy or even, dare I say, unhappy? And one might not always get happiness out of doing such things. Also, at times, isn't it important to sacrifice one's own happiness, say for your family? And might sacrificing fun and "happiness" in the present by studying and saving, prevent unhappiness in the future? How can we quantify that? |
Patrick Bateman: Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people. |
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