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Ilbe members insult Sewol victims;Expats offer advice
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:21 am    Post subject: Ilbe members insult Sewol victims;Expats offer advice Reply with quote

I knew about "Netizens", but I had never heard about this particular group. What they are doing now kind of reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church. Their comments are beyond the pale at a time like this.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/113_155752.html
Ilbe members insult Sewol victims, families

A group of online community users shared their opinions insulting the Sewol sinking tragedy victims in Jindo.

On the day of the sinking, Ilbe, an infamous website full of self-proclaimed ultra right wingers, had a number of posts of photos and short messages that are deemed beyond heinous.
Ilbe member arrested for harassing victims
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/113_155824.html
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On a somewhat related topic, KT ran a story quoting comments from some expats living in Korea. I wonder how this is going to be received.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/116_155922.html

`Koreans should adhere more to rules to avoid second Sewol'
By Kim Se-jeong

Expatriates offered some tough advice for Koreans following the sinking of the ferry Sewol.

"I’m saddened by the loss of life from the ferry accident. I believe it stemmed largely from the weakness of safety rules, standards, safety training and the like,” said Joel Levin, an American living in Seoul.

“I see mothers riding in the front seats of cars with a baby on their lap — and no baby seat in sight. How can such obviously risky behavior be so common in such an advanced society?” he asked.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Ilbe members insult Sewol victims;Expats offer advice Reply with quote

Sector7G wrote:
Ilbe member arrested for harassing victims
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/113_155824.html


From that link:
Quote:
Chung reportedly is a Korean education major from a prestigious university


Let's hope he gets the same treatment that foreigners who've ever been arrested get: never ever able to work as a teacher in Korea. Of course, Chung has done what he's accused of; the foreigner, even if exonerated or the arrest was proven to be in error (mistaken identity, etc.), Korea says no visa for you.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is ridiculous. The "heinous" comments are just bad attempts at snarky jokes. This "Ilbe" group doesn't appear to even stand for anything. Not that it's got much credibility, but the Korea Times is publishing Internet trolls as news at this point.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
This is ridiculous. The "heinous" comments are just bad attempts at snarky jokes. This "Ilbe" group doesn't appear to even stand for anything. Not that it's got much credibility, but the Korea Times is publishing Internet trolls as news at this point.
Well, I agree the comments in the first link are not that bad, but the one in the arrest story is. Enough to arrest them? Maybe not, but you can't blame KT for reporting the arrest.

Anyway, here is what I found out about "Ilbe":
http://www.allkpop.com/forums_post/allkpop/K-POP/what-exactly-is-ilbe
What exactly is Ilbe?
"Ilbe is a 'base camp' for many passionate conservative netizens but they don't just dwell in it. Ilbe users are known to coordinate and make comments on mainstream portal sites such as Nate and Naver with their 'firepower' as they call it. Their dislike for the people they label 'jwajom' and strong misogynic comments are especially reknowned. This article written by a seasoned Ilbe netizen explains where Ilbe stands. Ilbe is an abbreviation of 'Ilgan best' that means 'daily best'. While Ilbe is best known for its political nature, the site also has forums for fashion, cooking, sports, computer games, music, movies, etc."

Ilbe," short for "daily best" in Korean, is a user-led South Korean Web site sometimes likened to the infamous 4Chan, an English-language online community that, like Ilbe, is well known for stirring controversy. Born out of a messaging board on the popular South Korean portal DC Inside, the community is becoming the de facto voice of online and youthful conservative dissent in modern South Korea.

"The biggest reason for Ilbe's remarkable growth is that Ilbe offers a gathering place for conservative and right-wing netizens." one user wrote."
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the opinion of a Korean living in Japan:

"Let’s give up the title of “developed country” for now. No matter how big the Korean economy has become, we cannot confidently say Korea is a developed country when the lives of its citizens are not guaranteed."

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2988192
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faeriehazel



Joined: 04 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a terrible tragedy, but I feel like Korea is collectively losing its s--t. Jus one example: The director of the rescue efforts said on the second day that they wouldn't use the cranes unless the families of the victims gave them permission. What a stupid thing to say. The families of the victims are beside themselves with grief. They are in no position to be making decisions of any kind. The wanker just doesn't want to have to take responsibility for making any unpopular but necessary calls.

And on Facebook, conspiracy theories abound and people are all too willing to believe crap with no evidence. Like there are survivors still texting their families from inside the ferry but the government is colluding with the telecom companies to block their texts.

As for the internet trolls, they are the scum of the earth but in what kind of civilized society do we punish people simply for spouting filth from behind a computer screen? If they were directly emailing the families and harassing them that would be another story.

I totally agree that it's the Korean mentality that thinks it's ok to ride a car with an infant in your lap that is behind disasters like this. Every day I see an ajusshi on a scooter with his helmet-less kid standing in front of the seat. But Koreans will be happy enough to lynch the captain without reflecting on the system that made it possible for such a completely avoidable disaster to happen.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:

"Let’s give up the title of “developed country” for now. No matter how big the Korean economy has become, we cannot confidently say Korea is a developed country when the lives of its citizens are not guaranteed."


By that logic, America isn't developed either.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are things that are also third world about America, too, I wouldn't disagree with that, but when it comes to dealing with following safety regulations, ensuring that people are properly trained when it comes to an emergency, I think the US does a fairly good job as do most Western countries. It was ridiculous that people on the ferry were calling on their phones for help supposedly before the ship issued a distress call. It's clear that time was lost when the crew panicked. I'm not sure why the ship listed. They're now saying there wasn't a sharp turn. We know they were going fast. Was there something wrong with the payload, the weight?
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ATM SPIDERTAO



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