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Longtimer: Would you come to SK now?
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Longtimer: Would you come to SK now?
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Longtimer: Would you come to SK now? Reply with quote

I'm from Canada. I arrived in 2003. The CDN$ cost 850,000 won, now it costs 1,140,000. And now the North Koreans have become more scary. I wouldn't come here now (as a newbie), yet I'm surprised to see people coming.

If you've been here at least 3 years, what do you think? Would you come here as an E2 newbie now?
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Longtimer: Would you come to SK now? Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
I'm from Canada. I arrived in 2003. The CDN$ cost 850,000 won, now it costs 1,140,000. And now the North Koreans have become more scary. I wouldn't come here now (as a newbie), yet I'm surprised to see people coming.

If you've been here at least 3 years, what do you think? Would you come here as an E2 newbie now?


I agree, plus English teaching within Korea's boarders is silly. Why would anyone want to come when
a) You don't own your own visa
b) You are treated like a tape recorder or a non-person.
c) Wages are decreasing in both the Hogwan and public system. Next year the public system will be capped at 2.3M per person.
d) Government and school system are doing the same things and expecting different results. = pure stupidity.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2002 I first came to travel overseas and have a bit of an adventure. So, yeah, I'd still come if a newbie today. In fact, I'm thinking about becoming a newbie in another Asian country in a year or two, and care not about currency conversion or political stability (I was in Thailand for a month vacation when the airport incident happened. The day to day life of most people went on as normal).
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a "maybe" category.

Things were definitely better a few years ago. It's starting to deteriorate over here. Not horrible yet, but not what it was.

But things have also worsened back home.

So the answer is "maybe".

The bottom line is that world is slowly getting worse and worse.

Pick your poison.
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vaticanhotline



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: in the most decent sometimes sun

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Longtimer: Would you come to SK now? Reply with quote

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:
) Wages are decreasing in both the Hogwan and public system. Next year the public system will be capped at 2.3M per person.


Where did you hear about this? I've tried looking it up but it doesn't say it anywhere.
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gogophoto



Joined: 20 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Longtimer: Would you come to SK now? Reply with quote

vaticanhotline wrote:
Seoul'n'Corea wrote:
) Wages are decreasing in both the Hogwan and public system. Next year the public system will be capped at 2.3M per person.


Where did you hear about this? I've tried looking it up but it doesn't say it anywhere.


While I don't believe it is official policy, there are many accounts on this board (and several I have had speaking to individuals in person) that the public schools are telling recruiters not to hire people who will have to be paid more than 2.3 million per month--2.2 in some cases. Before there was a glut of applicants, the higher pay range was an incentive to keep teachers because well, there were many schools who couldn't get one at any price. Now, with almost any school able to get teacher (with or without experience), the higher part of the payscale--while still there--is not likely to be used.

I work at a public middle school and am the only foreign teacher here and have not hear anything. However, I have spoken to many of my friends in the area (Anyang/Gunpo/Uiwang) who also work in secondary schools and ALL of them who work at a school with two foreign teachers have told me that their schools will be downsizing to one foreign teacher position in the next year. A couple of people I know will likely lose their jobs simply because their contract comes up before the other person.

Despite Korea's apparent resilience in the face of the recession back home, they are not unaffected and budgets are tighter for education. My understanding is that there was a vast expansion about 5 years ago to get foreign teachers into more schools; it seems that things are going the other way right now.
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decolyon



Joined: 24 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here 4 years. When I came originally, jobs were plentiful back home. NK and the US had their warmest relationship ever. And it was SK's economy that was just kind of so-so.

Things are completely different now and I certainly would come over. For all the opposite reasons I listed above. There are no jobs back home. Like none. I know people with MAs and MBAs flipping burgers.

I kind of like things are tense with NK right now. I travel for adventure and excitement. If things started blowing up tomorrow, I'd rather be here to experience it and be a part of it, than sit at home and watch it all happen on CNN.

The East Asian economies are pretty good right now. The won isn't as good as it was a few years ago, but if you just came over for the exchange rate, you're not a very smart person.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in Korea from 2003-2008. For 3 of those 5 years, I had a sweet public school job with 10 weeks of paid vacation and no desk warming. The exchange rate for American dollars was much better.

The public schools have slowly eradicated the benefits which set them apart from the crappy hogwan jobs. The hogwan jobs are still bad, and even the best ones only offer a handful of vacation days. Even many universities want you to teach kiddie camps, which was never the case when i first came to Korea. Overall, the competition is fierce for mediocre jobs. It's a an employer's market and more and more people are getting screwed over...because they can get away with it now.

Forget the issues with NK. It will probably be a whole lot of nothing, as usual. If I were a newbie, I wouldn't come now. The money and working conditions are not high enough now to offset the quality of life you'll be living. Just my opinion.
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youtuber



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The exchange rate blows now. Really blows. Pay is stagnant. More good ole uni frat boys heading over from Oklahoma. NorKs acting up. Tons more competition for crap jobs.

When I first came, not too many people heard of Korea. Now, everybody and their dog is coming. Doesn't seem that "special" anymore.

And the biggest thing....your experience in Korea is a black mark on your resume. Fluff it up all you want, employers don't value it.

Not too enticing.
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Jeonmunka



Joined: 05 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the NK vrs SK thing at the moment in the News, it's the US - China thing that has people worried.
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frankhenry



Joined: 13 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe
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Koreadays



Joined: 20 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

everyone knows someone who has been to Korea to teach, they have all said how sweet it is, the girls are hot, the privates pay from 40-50 bucks a hour.,hakwon jobs are doable, free house, air ticket, heaps of foreigners here from our cities or province , drinking in Itaewon, hondgae, cheap food, and SOJU, the city is awesome man!! forget north korea he is all talk...

you seen the state of the economy bank home? everyone is coming to Korea now.. Ive been here since 2002 and I have seen the numbers of foreigners grow every year. its not slowly down, it's only increasing..
desperate times my friend.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Came to Korea in 1991 and the opportunities of that time that first brought me here no longer exist. I would find a different place to start out if I were at that point in my life again. Not to be confussed with regretting having come here. Korea has been and continues to be very good to me. It's just not the place to make a start that it used to be.
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mdickun83



Joined: 10 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, well, I'm a newbie and wanting to teach abroad. Applied with EPIK. I've got about 500/ month in school debt and I'm looking to pay that down while enjoying and learning about a culture completely different from my own.

So my question is this: If not Korea, where would you choose to teach?
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't regret coming to Korea. But if I were new to the ESL business, I would go to China.
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