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sands



Joined: 03 Apr 2014

PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:46 pm    Post subject: Accepted a position and then found out we're expecting... Reply with quote

My husband and I accepted a couples position recently, but just found out we're pregnant today.

We're trying to decide what our best course of action would be. We would love to go to Korea for as long as we could, and have even considered having the baby in Korea. But it is possible that we would leave around December and have the baby in the states. Perhaps we could stay in Korea after the birth and my husband could work while I stay home with the baby.

What matters most is we're trying to do what is best for us, and for the school, and for the baby. It's not a situation we necessarily expected, but it is one that we are so excited about, we always knew we wanted a baby.

Please be kind, I'm trying to figure out what's right.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can have the baby in the States, you'll save yourself a lot of trouble. Lots of paperwork from what I hear.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your wishes aside, if that were me, id rather have a baby/infant in my own country in terms of medical treatment.
ive seen a lot of bad practice here and I wouldn't inflict that on a child of mine.

Any way, congratulations Very Happy
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Accepted a position and then found out we're expecting.. Reply with quote

sands wrote:
My husband and I accepted a couples position recently, but just found out we're pregnant today.

We're trying to decide what our best course of action would be. We would love to go to Korea for as long as we could, and have even considered having the baby in Korea. But it is possible that we would leave around December and have the baby in the states. Perhaps we could stay in Korea after the birth and my husband could work while I stay home with the baby.

What matters most is we're trying to do what is best for us, and for the school, and for the baby. It's not a situation we necessarily expected, but it is one that we are so excited about, we always knew we wanted a baby.

Please be kind, I'm trying to figure out what's right.


Since you are married you would be qualified for an F-3 visa so long as your husband was working, so you should have no problem staying in the country. As an American who has had children in Korea, I can also tell you the paperwork for registering the birth was very easy; we got their passports and social security cards promptly, and it was not much of a hassle. The birth itself was also not very expensive, so depending on the quality of the insurance you would have in the States, it may be cheaper to have your baby in Korea.

That said, when you say you've accepted a "couples position," do you mean at a hagwon or a public school? If it's the latter, you should have no problems, but it's not inconceivable that a hagwon would find some pretext to fire you once they realized you were pregnant, and they may even fire your husband as well. I'm not saying that will happen, but it would hardly be the most shocking or indecent thing a hagwon owner has ever done.
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guavashake



Joined: 09 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, you didn't ask any specific question.
Numerous people have previously asked for feedback regarding your type of scenario.

Some people have negative input and say having a baby in Korea is a horrible idea.
Virtually all the people who say this have not had a baby in Korea.
Most of the people who say this never had a baby anywhere, and they are Korea bashers.

Some people have positive input and say having a baby in Korea is a fine idea.

You are the one who knows what your current home situation is like, and therefore you are the one who has the information for making a comparison between your place and Korea.

From personal experience, I think having a baby in Korea is a fine idea.
There are multiple benefits, and logistically it is nice for getting around and getting the things you need and doing the things you need to do. In other words, its a user friendly place.

Regarding contractual things, you need to confirm them for yourself.
I believe you should be able to get good benefits.
You should be able to get good health insurance.
Public school contracts that I am aware of include a generous maternity leave.
I don't know of any law that requires you to inform your employer of your pregnancy at any given time.

There are many things I could tell you based on personal experience, but if it includes personal details, I would prefer to do that via pm. I would be happy to go into detail in a personal message.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 2 (extended) comments to add (and yes, my wife and I are foreigners and yes, we have kids who were born in Korea):

1) Having a baby in Korea is a fine idea. It won't hurt the child (often turns out to be a very positive experience).

Costs are reasonable:
- about $500 for prenatal care if all is going well and another $600-$800 or so for the birth (assuming your employer has you on NHIC).
- If your employer did not enroll you in NHIC (the case for most hagwon workers) then the costs will be about double.
- IF there are complications that necessitate a c-section then double the costs again.

2) Being pregnant and then relocating to another country to BEGIN a job is another matter.

- you (or your husband) probably won't finish your contract so there are financial issues (repayment of airfare(s) or other costs, potential penalties for leaving the contract early, etc.).

Then there are the costs of going home early (December is an expensive season to travel and the employer won't be paying the airfare for anyone.)

- FINDING a doctor to take care of you (immediately after landing and before even getting your ARC or medical insurance) is another matter to worry about as well.

- There are the mandatory x-rays for your medical (your boss will find out real fast that you are pregnant - even if you did want to hide it and work for the next 6 months).

- If you tell them now that you are pregnant you won't get/keep the job. They won't fly you over.

IF you do come and do stay for the birth then living arrangements are another issue to deal with. 2 adults and a baby in a 15'*15' room (typical "one-room" that teachers are placed into) is going to be a squeeze to put it mildly. Newbies and renting their own apartment is a recipe for disaster (not to mention large deposits ($5000-20,000 are typical)).

My personal advice:
- stay home. Have the baby.
Have ONE parent come over AFTER the baby is born.
When that parent is settled and STABLE, have the rest of the family join (F3 visas).
AFTER that you can find daycare and a 2nd job for the other parent.

It's only a year to wait and EFL will still be here.

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Overture1928



Joined: 12 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
I have 2 (extended) comments to add (and yes, my wife and I are foreigners and yes, we have kids who were born in Korea):

1) Having a baby in Korea is a fine idea. It won't hurt the child (often turns out to be a very positive experience).

Costs are reasonable:
- about $500 for prenatal care if all is going well and another $600-$800 or so for the birth (assuming your employer has you on NHIC).
- If your employer did not enroll you in NHIC (the case for most hagwon workers) then the costs will be about double.
- IF there are complications that necessitate a c-section then double the costs again.

2) Being pregnant and then relocating to another country to BEGIN a job is another matter.

- you (or your husband) probably won't finish your contract so there are financial issues (repayment of airfare(s) or other costs, potential penalties for leaving the contract early, etc.).

Then there are the costs of going home early (December is an expensive season to travel and the employer won't be paying the airfare for anyone.)

- FINDING a doctor to take care of you (immediately after landing and before even getting your ARC or medical insurance) is another matter to worry about as well.

- There are the mandatory x-rays for your medical (your boss will find out real fast that you are pregnant - even if you did want to hide it and work for the next 6 months).

- If you tell them now that you are pregnant you won't get/keep the job. They won't fly you over.

IF you do come and do stay for the birth then living arrangements are another issue to deal with. 2 adults and a baby in a 15'*15' room (typical "one-room" that teachers are placed into) is going to be a squeeze to put it mildly. Newbies and renting their own apartment is a recipe for disaster (not to mention large deposits ($5000-20,000 are typical)).

My personal advice:
- stay home. Have the baby.
Have ONE parent come over AFTER the baby is born.
When that parent is settled and STABLE, have the rest of the family join (F3 visas).
AFTER that you can find daycare and a 2nd job for the other parent.

It's only a year to wait and EFL will still be here.

.


I second this.

By the time you get to Korea and take your mandatory medical test you might be 1-2 months pregnant. Probably impossible to hide it from your boss. I feel like this is a terrible idea for newbs. There can be lots of stress when settling into a new country, your jobs could turn out to be awful adding to the stress, then you may lose them if your boss isn't cool with the pregnancy. You gotta find a new apartment, put down $5-20 grand for an apartment deposit + monthly rent. Your husband has to find a new job too, more stress. Seems like a bad idea. Best of luck.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't take the chance. I knew a Korean teacher that took an after school position to help with the costs of having her baby when she was about 6 months pregnant. One of the boys walked up to her and punched her in the stomach. She didn't lose the baby, but she came damn close.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
I wouldn't take the chance. I knew a Korean teacher that took an after school position to help with the costs of having her baby when she was about 6 months pregnant. One of the boys walked up to her and punched her in the stomach. She didn't lose the baby, but she came damn close.


Why am I not surprised by this?
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be a lot easier to have the baby in your home country, and have family around to help you and support you. Also talking to the doctor.

My (Korean) wife had our son here, and watching the delivery I think if you had communication difficulties it would be pretty scary.
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wanderkind



Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question would be: Where would you be working? (presence of English speaking medical staff varies)
You need to consider how easy it will be to make use of available prenatal care. Even if you have a co-teacher willing to go with you for every visit to translate, the average Korean English speaker wouldn't know medical terminology.

Died By Bear wrote:
I wouldn't take the chance. I knew a Korean teacher that took an after school position to help with the costs of having her baby when she was about 6 months pregnant. One of the boys walked up to her and punched her in the stomach. She didn't lose the baby, but she came damn close.

Jesus, I read that as 'one of the bosses' at first. Still f'd though.

Aside: Ttompatz, I'm curious, are your kids in the Korean school system?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:
Aside: Ttompatz, I'm curious, are your kids in the Korean school system?


They started in the Korean school system (at the school I was working in). We were happy with it and her treatment in it.

Now, since I am only in Korea for about 4 months per year (in Thailand the rest of the year), they are down south.

Our daughter is in a semi-private bilingual school there (perk of being the boss).
http://s293.photobucket.com/user/ttompatz/media/frontdoorkg.jpg.html

I have about 650 kids in Kindy this year, 500 in primary and 600 in jr/sr high (academic) school. I have about 700 more in the vocational high school program as well.

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guavashake



Joined: 09 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:
Another question would be: Where would you be working? (presence of English speaking medical staff varies)
You need to consider how easy it will be to make use of available prenatal care. Even if you have a co-teacher willing to go with you for every visit to translate, the average Korean English speaker wouldn't know medical terminology.


My experience is that the average doctor other medical professionals can communicate in English.
This applies to three provinces I have lived in and Seoul.
I have never needed a translator, and my experience goes back to the 1990s.

Medical terminology is largely a universal language.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guavashake wrote:
wanderkind wrote:
Another question would be: Where would you be working? (presence of English speaking medical staff varies)
You need to consider how easy it will be to make use of available prenatal care. Even if you have a co-teacher willing to go with you for every visit to translate, the average Korean English speaker wouldn't know medical terminology.


My experience is that the average doctor other medical professionals can communicate in English.
This applies to three provinces I have lived in and Seoul.
I have never needed a translator, and my experience goes back to the 1990s.

Medical terminology is largely a universal language.


Wrong again.

Brazenly walking up to people and speaking to them in English, does not necessarily mean that the words are the same in the two languages - it means that they understand English.

Here are a few examples (that are relevant to teachers and perhaps expectant parents).

Health
blood
phlebotomist
doctor
medicine
chemist
paracetamol
alcohol
artery
gynaecologist
baby
sick
heart
fever


and of course


'lie down, please'.

However, x-ray and and iodine and some generic medicines use English. Maybe thats where you're getting mixed up?
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Lazio



Joined: 15 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
guavashake wrote:
wanderkind wrote:
Another question would be: Where would you be working? (presence of English speaking medical staff varies)
You need to consider how easy it will be to make use of available prenatal care. Even if you have a co-teacher willing to go with you for every visit to translate, the average Korean English speaker wouldn't know medical terminology.


My experience is that the average doctor other medical professionals can communicate in English.
This applies to three provinces I have lived in and Seoul.
I have never needed a translator, and my experience goes back to the 1990s.

Medical terminology is largely a universal language.


Wrong again.



No, you are wrong.

Universal language in medicine: Latin along with English lately.
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