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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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 Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 4:24 am Post subject: Seven people killed |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elliot-rodgers-killing-spree-what-happened/2014/05/24/207778ec-e3b2-11e3-810f-764fe508b82d_story.html
So this guy is basically like the real life Patrick Bateman. He goes around talking about his BMW, clothes,$300 sunglasses, but he still can't get a girl. He makes hundreds of youtube videos about not getting a girl, and then takes revenge because girls don't like him. The world is a weird place, I thought about putting this in the egalitarianism thread- equality for lonely guys who deserve girls. Watch the video, creepy and desperate, almost inhuman.
Just read the comments on the article. It seems everything really is Obama's fault, who knew.
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 5:17 am Post subject: |
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I read his 170pg essay last night. Not unibomber quality stuff, but sufficiently descriptive for me to diagnose him as a crazy, narcissistic, asshole.
He was completely nuts. Very angry. Consumed with his inability to live the ideal life that Hollywood sold him (ie his view of college as a big frat party where thin blondes with big boobs throw short nerds some vag). He hated his roommates b/c the argued with him and he said he's stab them to death (he did). He hated his brother b/c he was going to get more ass then him (this realization is what caused him to plan the killings, see pg 127). His parents divorced, his dad was basically absent. He had aspergers. Saw three shrinks in 2014. I assume on meds.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto
His parents (don't know if it was mother or father) called the cops on him in the recent past. They knew he was a timebomb. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
I read his 170pg essay last night. Not unibomber quality stuff, but sufficiently descriptive for me to diagnose him as a crazy, narcissistic, asshole.
He was completely nuts. Very angry. Consumed with his inability to live the ideal life that Hollywood sold him (ie his view of college as a big frat party where thin blondes with big boobs throw short nerds some vag). He hated his roommates b/c the argued with him and he said he's stab them to death (he did). He hated his brother b/c he was going to get more ass then him (this realization is what caused him to plan the killings, see pg 127). His parents divorced, his dad was basically absent. He had aspergers. Saw three shrinks in 2014. I assume on meds.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto
His parents (don't know if it was mother or father) called the cops on him in the recent past. They knew he was a timebomb. |
That's impressive that you did that, you have more patience than me. I just skimmed through the manifesto, and again the tone really did remind of when I read American Psycho. The childhood stuff is just bizarre that he wrote it out like that, I can't remind most of my early childhood in the way that he does. This guy is crazier than I realized. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: |
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His father was the assistant director of The Hunger Games.
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Shifman added that family called police several weeks ago after being alarmed by YouTube videos 'regarding suicide and the killing of people' that Elliot had been posting.
Police interviewed Elliot Rodger and found him to be a 'perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human,' he added.
Mr Rodger added that the family are staunchly against guns, saying he had no idea how his son got hold of a firearm.
Police did not find a history of guns, but did say Rodger 'didn't have a lot of friends,' and didn't have any girlfriends.
He was diagnosed at an earlier age with Asperger's Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism meaning he had difficulties with social interaction.
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The NRA's predictable response will be that we need more good guys with guns to stop the bad guys. They will not even support stopping mentally ill people who speak about their violent fantasies on YouTube from purchasing guns. Gun control can never ever be part of their solution to mass shootings. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: |
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The childhood stuff is just bizarre that he wrote it out like that, I can't remind most of my early childhood in the way that he does. This guy is crazier than I realized. |
I think it is necessary to put him in a Hollywood context. His reality was clearly shaped by media. For example, when he's describing being 3-5 and living in the estate outside London he's probably substituting movies he's seen for his real life. I have memories of 3-5 but not vivid ones like him.
He's also really hung up about race. His mother in Chinese and his father is "British aristocracy". However his dad grew up in Belfast. Either way, he really dislikes Indians and FOTB Asians. He seriously hated his Asian roomates.
The media is spinning this as if it is all about women. It isn't. This guy hated everybody. He hated the men that the 10's were banging as much as the 10's themselves.
He's sexually weird too. He describes standing by the door listening to a "half white, half Mexican" screw his sister. He describes it very grossly.
Verdict: Nuts. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
The childhood stuff is just bizarre that he wrote it out like that, I can't remind most of my early childhood in the way that he does. This guy is crazier than I realized. |
I think it is necessary to put him in a Hollywood context. His reality was clearly shaped by media. For example, when he's describing being 3-5 and living in the estate outside London he's probably substituting movies he's seen for his real life. I have memories of 3-5 but not vivid ones like him.
He's also really hung up about race. His mother in Chinese and his father is "British aristocracy". However his dad grew up in Belfast. Either way, he really dislikes Indians and FOTB Asians. He seriously hated his Asian roomates.
The media is spinning this as if it is all about women. It isn't. This guy hated everybody. He hated the men that the 10's were banging as much as the 10's themselves.
He's sexually weird too. He describes standing by the door listening to a "half white, half Mexican" screw his sister. He describes it very grossly.
Verdict: Nuts. |
I agree, but it will be very interesting to see how people spin it to fit politics. I've so far seen people describing him as ultra-liberal, or as a men's rightist and a misogynist. Perhaps the next wave will be people blaming video games- even knowing the guy is crazy reading someone talk about playing online computer games for as many hours as this kid is shocking.
I ended up reading more of his manifesto- it was too weird to look away from, and it seriously seems like he thought that girls were literally supposed to throw themselves at him, instead of you know having to talk to him. To think, someone should have just gotten this guy a hooker and all of this could have been avoided. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Immediately, I would recommend removing any mention of the killer's name from this thread, particularly from the title.
Next, I would stop trying to psychoanalyze this stranger. We are not doctors or psychologists.
Lastly, I would post as little as possible regarding the killer.
There's very little merit in giving this subject any attention, unless it is to provide condolences or support to the families of the victims. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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^ dude you nag like my mother in law, who is a church lady.
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| but it will be very interesting to see how people spin it to fit politics. I've so far seen people describing him as ultra-liberal, or as a men's rightist and a misogynist. |
^ this is the most obnoxious thing. Kuros is right, in a sense. It is a tragedy. 6 people lost their children. It is horrible to consider. The default reaction for many is pro or anti whatever they were pro or anti before. It becomes Michael Moore V Fox News, etc. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ dude you nag like my mother in law, who is a church lady. |
So tiresome.
Look. You and I are not going to get along for the foreseeable future. Much of that has to do with your needless personal attacks; a choice you made instead of simply debating the issues. The idea that I am anything like your mother-in-law is as preposterous as it is unverifiable. I am annoyed that I even have to imagine your mother-in-law. Who cares what your mother-in-law is like? If you find me annoying just say so. Actually, don't. I'll assume it, and you can likewise assume I am also annoyed whenever you remark on me in a personal fashion.
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but it will be very interesting to see how people spin it to fit politics. I've so far seen people describing him as ultra-liberal, or as a men's rightist and a misogynist.
^ this is the most obnoxious thing. Kuros is right, in a sense. |
I have a twitter feed full of a few people retweeting erstwhile twitter feminists hashtagging about #Yesallmen.
Who knows what motivated the killer? Remember Columbine? The media psychoanalyzed the killers, and they were totally, absolutely wrong. The whole thing is pointless. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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In some sense Kuros is right. I think its worthwhile to try to understand what happened in an objective manner, because stuff like this takes on a life of its own and becomes co-opted so quickly. There will be narratives that he was this or that, or this or that could have stopped it, when really if you take a look at the actual person most of the narratives fall apart.
I sympathize with the idea that if the press didn't mention the killers there would be less copycat crimes, but this simply will not happen, human curiosity is too strong, and short of censoring information about it, it will continue. With Columbine, you are right, however later the correct information became public. If we can't stop the information from being published, which we can't, the next best thing is for it to be honest and not used in a gratuitous political manner, which might also unfortunately be wishful thinking. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| In a media saturated country it is not possible, once the megaphone is activated, to prevent the masses from discussing the events. Dave's Current Events Forum is so far from a mainline site we need not worry. Maybe 15 people actually pay attention to what is said here. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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So tiresome.
Look. You and I are not going to get along for the foreseeable future. Much of that has to do with your needless personal attacks; a choice you made instead of simply debating the issues. The idea that I am anything like your mother-in-law is as preposterous as it is unverifiable. I am annoyed that I even have to imagine your mother-in-law. Who cares what your mother-in-law is like? If you find me annoying just say so. Actually, don't. I'll assume it, and you can likewise assume I am also annoyed whenever you remark on me in a personal fashion. |
Dude it was a gentle rib. Chill. Don't get your panties in a bunch.
I think we get along just fine. You read The Atlantic and I imply you're a bit light in the loafers b/c you read The Atlantic. It's all good fun. Call me a fascist or something to vent. Don't take it seriously.
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| Who knows what motivated the killer? Remember Columbine? The media psychoanalyzed the killers, and they were totally, absolutely wrong. The whole thing is pointless. |
Did they write a 170pg "why I did it" manifesto?
Kuros. It's the internet. Don't be so sensitive. Have some fun with it. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| There are going to be some mentally troubled people who turn to violence more or less no matter what, especially given the parameters of modern society (relatively unstructured lives, high pressure revolving around long-term semi-abstract consequences, fragile family units, minimal concern if not outright antipathy for fellow citizens). The specific way in which they act out is probably worth considering. There's likely a real difference between someone shooting their peers (a pretty natural if unfortunate target, all things considered) and someone shooting at political figures or Sikhs, for example. One is probably more influenced by frustrations, the other more by toxic rhetoric. |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Terrible tragedy.
Reminder: violent crime has plummeted over the past few decades in the US. Sensational media coverage, OTOH ... |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Elliot Rodgers, couldn't get a girlfriend so he kills 7 |
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| Leon wrote: |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elliot-rodgers-killing-spree-what-happened/2014/05/24/207778ec-e3b2-11e3-810f-764fe508b82d_story.html
So this guy is basically like the real life Patrick Bateman. He goes around talking about his BMW, clothes,$300 sunglasses, but he still can't get a girl. He makes hundreds of youtube videos about not getting a girl, and then takes revenge because girls don't like him. The world is a weird place, I thought about putting this in the egalitarianism thread- equality for lonely guys who deserve girls. Watch the video, creepy and desperate, almost inhuman.
Just read the comments on the article. It seems everything really is Obama's fault, who knew. |
I watched it.
Just a loser with a gun and an incompetent god complex.
Not inhuman...imperfectly human...just watched and believed too many cliche movies.
Serious coward. |
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