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cmxc



Joined: 19 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:33 pm    Post subject: Ugly tourists bring disgrace to nation Reply with quote

Kinda reminds me of that classic line from Casablanca:
"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

I just don't understand why the Korean Times has to make up this stuff about Korean tourists behaving badly...

Ugly tourists bring disgrace to nation
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/culture/2014/07/399_161061.html
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Ugly tourists bring disgrace to nation Reply with quote

cmxc wrote:
Kinda reminds me of that classic line from Casablanca:
"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

I just don't understand why the Korean Times has to make up this stuff about Korean tourists behaving badly...

Ugly tourists bring disgrace to nation
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/culture/2014/07/399_161061.html


Pick a package:
http://www.modetour.com/
http://www.hanatour.com/
http://www.lottetour.com/welcome

and see for yourself.....
I would put most Korean tour group participants in the same category as the Chinese travel package participants that I have been on.

Reminds me a lot of other nationalities tourists going to Europe in the 70's and 80's. There were books written on it then too.

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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the article (thanks):

Quote:
"Being on a plane is like being in a different country," Yoo said. "There are so many foreigners on board. You have to keep that in mind."


My takeaway is that the behavior itself isn't the problem, it's that foreigners are seeing it.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But in 2012, Korea ranked sixth on the list of the world’s worst tourists


I bet the Brits were above them.
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drydell



Joined: 01 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope Ed... but here's the list
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Here's the list of the world's worst tourist, according to the LivingSocial's survey:

1. U.S.-20 percent

2. China-15 percent

3. France- 14 percent

4. Japan- 12 percent

5. Russia- 11 percent

6. Korea- 9 percent

7. India- 9 percent

8. Germany- 8 percent

9. Spain- 7 percent

10. Britain- 5 percent


I've got feeling America being no.1 might be a general bit of anti-Americanism. This was a survey on opinions I think it said..... Japan above Korea? hmmm
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You spend too much, you're seen as arrogant. spend too little, you're seen as cheap. Tourists never win... Very Happy
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure that they are still #1 but globally, they are not far off.
(Personally, I would rank the Chinese tourists worse than the Americans).

wrote:
Ugly American is a pejorative term used to refer to perceptions of loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless, ignorant, and ethnocentric behavior of American citizens mainly abroad, but also at home.(1,2,3,4,5,6)

Although the term is usually associated with or applied to travelers and tourists, it also applies to U.S. corporate businesses in the international arena. (7,8,9,10,11,12)


1) Richards, Erin (2006). Are you the ugly American? CNN Travel. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

2) Wederspahn, Gary (2008). Avoiding the "Ugly American" Stereotype Practical Planet. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

3) Winter, Greg (2004). Colleges Tell Students the Overseas Party's Over The New York Times. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

4) Clark, Jayne (2006). That 'ugly American' image is getting a makeover guide. USA Today. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

5) Sherwell, Phillip (2007). Straight-talking McCain vows to fix world's view of the ugly American. The Telegraph. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

6) Moriarty, Erina (2001). Time Travellers. How to Avoid Ugly American Syndrome. Retrieved on 2 May 2008.

7) Holstein, William (2005). Erasing the Image of the Ugly American. The New York Times. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

Cool Gross, Daniel (2007). Are You an Ugly American? Newsweek. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

9) Clark, Hannah (2006). Are You An Ugly American? Forbes. Retrieved online March 16, 2008.

10) Alban, Debra (2006). CNN. How not to be the ugly American. Retrieved on 2 May 2008.

11) Rosenbaum, Andrew (2002). Harvard Business School, Boston, Mass. How to Avoid Being the "Ugly American" When Doing Business Abroad. ISBN 1591393485. OCLC: 52962937.

12) Mead, Walter (June 4, 1989). Japan-Bashing, an Ugly American Tradition. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2011-06-17.


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mr_thehorse



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
You spend too much, you're seen as arrogant. spend too little, you're seen as cheap. Tourists never win... Very Happy


ive never heard of anybody really complaining about Japanese tourists. Do they spend just right?
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_thehorse wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
You spend too much, you're seen as arrogant. spend too little, you're seen as cheap. Tourists never win... Very Happy

ive never heard of anybody really complaining about Japanese tourists. Do they spend just right?

Aside from the camera taking stereotype... nothing really negative other than in the 80's when the Japanese were buying up property throughout the world. Where I grew up there was a slight anti-Japanese sentiment to them buying real estate. Some people admired their success, others resented them raising property prices. Kind of like the Chinese in Vancouver.

Aside from that, not really negative, but I've been told by various hotel caters that Japanese tourists are pretty particular about their breakfasts. They'll never deviate from their rice and raw-eggs in the morning. But as for lunch, or dinner, they'll eat anything.
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3DR



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drydell wrote:
nope Ed... but here's the list
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Here's the list of the world's worst tourist, according to the LivingSocial's survey:

1. U.S.-20 percent

2. China-15 percent

3. France- 14 percent

4. Japan- 12 percent

5. Russia- 11 percent

6. Korea- 9 percent

7. India- 9 percent

8. Germany- 8 percent

9. Spain- 7 percent

10. Britain- 5 percent


I've got feeling America being no.1 might be a general bit of anti-Americanism. This was a survey on opinions I think it said..... Japan above Korea? hmmm


Yea I can't possibly see how America is above Korea lol.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it all hinges on the hassle experienced v money spent ratio. Brit tourists in Spain may do things like organise drinking contests with a girl giving 10 strangers a blow job, but as long as they keep ordering their buckets of cheap spirits the bar owners are happy. A bunch of Korean/Chinese tourists may behave slightly less obnoxiously but may bring their own food, drink much less and swarm over anything free like a plague of locusts. Which may wind up owners more.
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robbie_davies



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worlds worst tourists must be

Joint 1st) Russians/Israelis.

However, you only see Israelis on the backpacking route and in certain places like Goa, but they are pretty vile.

Russians in Egypt, again, vile.
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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On hiatus from teaching in Korea I worked for a major airline. One day a foreign passenger was causing a scene while boarding an aircraft. My manager and I were having a chat about it and he started telling me about which country's travellers were the best and which were the worst. I was a little surprised when he said that South Korean travelers were the worst(he didn't know I had lived in Korea). I asked why and he said they were too demanding and pushy...loud and could be abnoxious. I thought this to funny as most of us can attest to the older generation being just that way at times.

I then started to take notice of tour groups, Korean and Japanese. The Japanese always quiet, orderly and polite. The Koreans were a mixed bag. Certainly not orderly, often loud and often not polite by western standards. The tour groups are almost completely comprised of middle aged tourists.

Then, about about a year ago I took a trip from Canada to China and then after a few days a visit to Seoul. While waiting at the gate for my flight to show up from Shanghai to Seou, I decided to try to take a nap as I was there early and hardly anyone else around, but after awhile a group of middle aged Koreans showed up and my nap was soon thwarted. Loud talking, exaggerated sounds, etc. No worries. But when it came time to board the flight a group of about 30 Koreans just pushed ahead in line. Absolutely no regard for the fact that I, and several others, were in line first. It took me for a bit of a surprise as I had been away from Korea for almost 3 years at this point. A man and his son, whowere still sat waiting, had a great chuckle at my expense. They witnessed the whole thing. I couldn't help but laugh myself.
Then we landed in Incheon. I was in business class(which was almost empty) and the Koreans were in coach. There was a pretty safe distance between where I was and coach. Yet who got out of the plane first you ask? The same people who began pushing me as I reached up for my carry on. Clearly they did not wait for the seatbelt sign to go off like the rest of us did. Just how to you get beaten out of exiting the plane by dozens of people sitting in coach when you are up in business class? Unreal.
Korea fighting!

Oh, and for the record. Had no issues with the Chinese.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just recall once flying from Vietnam to Korea. I might have been the only foreigner on the Korean airline, don't recall really. It seemed to me the Korean flight attendant was pretty embarrassed, like, sigh, what can you do when no one will listen, about the passengers all getting up and ready to rush out before the plane was stopped.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OBwannabe wrote:
My manager and I were having a chat about it and he started telling me about which country's travellers were the best and which were the worst. I was a little surprised when he said that South Korean travelers were the worst(he didn't know I had lived in Korea). I asked why and he said they were too demanding and pushy...loud and could be obnoxious.

Spot on.

The cutting in line thing is pretty common with them too. The more of them there are together the more likely they are to cut, and also the less likely someone will call them on it. It seems like mostly older folks doing most of cutting, as well as bumping from behind when there is a line... as though it's a race or something.

But the Korean students traveling for field trips can be annoying too. Almost no supervision from adults/teacher (either drunk or asleep) while the students get to run around the plane for most of the flight, make noise, and milk the annoyed stewardesses for all the snacks/drinks they can possibly get.
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