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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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 Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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useless info, now
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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There are pros and cons to it.
Pros:
-You can check out the school/housing before you sign on the dotted line.
-You MIGHT be able to negotiate directly with the school. More likely you still need the recruiter to translate for you and you are unlikely to get any real changes (the hagwons have lots of applicants to choose from).
Cons:
-Unless you have contacts and/or speak Korean you will still need a recruiter.
-You will lose the value of the flight in. Employers have to pay for your visa run so the flight to Korea comes out of your pocket.
-IF you fly in without a visa then you also need a flight out (to meet the no-visa-entry requirements). Not having one puts you at risk of not being allowed to board your flight to Korea.
- There is no assurance that you will get any better deal - especially with the clock ticking, hotel costs mounting and you allowed period of stay running out. People often take bad deals out of desperation.
options:
Look GLOBALLY or at least regionally (unless they are somehow tied to Korea (F4?).
China, Korea, Taiwan, Japan and Vietnam all have comparable offers for those who qualify for an E2 with similar savings potential over the year.
EFL is a competitive industry. Shop around for the best options.
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Overture1928
Joined: 12 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
If they graduated from a top 200 university then they can apply for a D10 from their home country thus allowing them to start work faster and avoid having to do a visa run after they find a job in Korea. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:49 am Post subject: |
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There are pros and cons to it.
Pros:
-You can check out the school/housing before you sign on the dotted line.
-You MIGHT be able to negotiate directly with the school. More likely you still need the recruiter to translate for you and you are unlikely to get any real changes (the hagwons have lots of applicants to choose from).
Cons:
-Unless you have contacts and/or speak Korean you will still need a recruiter.
-You will lose the value of the flight in. Employers have to pay for your visa run so the flight to Korea comes out of your pocket.
-IF you fly in without a visa then you also need a flight out (to meet the no-visa-entry requirements). Not having one puts you at risk of not being allowed to board your flight to Korea.
- There is no assurance that you will get any better deal - especially with the clock ticking, hotel costs mounting and you allowed period of stay running out. People often take bad deals out of desperation.
options:
Look GLOBALLY or at least regionally (unless they are somehow tied to Korea (F4?).
China, Korea, Taiwan, Japan and Vietnam all have comparable offers for those who qualify for an E2 with similar savings potential over the year.
EFL is a competitive industry. Shop around for the best options. |
I would say that is fair. I'm trying to help these guys avoid the pitfalls of recruiters (most of which, are scum).
The flight: Well, they do have the money to get themselves here. And, if the school goes south, the ticket does not keep them in financial bondage (especially if it is an open return ticket).
Housing: I thought I read somewhere that goshiwans are actually quite practical, in cost and efficiency. If they pick one in a centralized location, that may not be a bad idea.
(They are set on coming but they just are not jazzed with any recruiter out there).
True...it may be a risk when interviewing. I suppose that is why it would be wise to be wearing the shirt, tie and slacks...with a resume and all documents in hand. I'm sure someone at the school will figure it out. If there is another foreign teacher there, that is all the better.
In addition, we have seen what a standard and honest contract should look like. Could they simply present it to the school?
I truly feel that, though it is a risk (both ends are) that they would be more marketable if they were here, first hand. They are Americans, so we have 90 days on the tourist visas.
Anyway, I'm just trying to gather as much information for them as possible...
I may suggest Wonderland to them...  |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| As tompatz said, even if they fly over here they will still probably be using a recruiter to find a job (getting a job offer may come a little quicker though). |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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| trueblue wrote: |
Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
I would never do that to my friends.
...(recommend Korea, that is. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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| Overture1928 wrote: |
| trueblue wrote: |
Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
If they graduated from a top 200 university then they can apply for a D10 from their home country thus allowing them to start work faster and avoid having to do a visa run after they find a job in Korea. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking |
I think it has to be if you have an MA or PhD from a top 200. Do they have an MA? |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:29 am Post subject: |
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I would never do that to my friends.
...(recommend Korea, that is |
Oh no, I did not recommend Korea to them. They just want to get out, see some things in the world....they are young, as we all were.
I did suggest Thailand, Taiwan, China and Japan.
But, their tender hearts are set on Korea. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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| Overture1928 wrote: |
| trueblue wrote: |
Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
If they graduated from a top 200 university then they can apply for a D10 from their home country thus allowing them to start work faster and avoid having to do a visa run after they find a job in Korea. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking |
lol....those rankings are awful. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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| trueblue wrote: |
Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
Find a better recruiter. Find larger ones or a western based one. |
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Sesame
Joined: 16 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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| trueblue wrote: |
Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
would you fools stop telling and encouraging all your "buddies" to come over here, the place is absolutely saturated and dripping with esl teachers. |
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Overture1928
Joined: 12 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Two friends heading out to Kroea (possibly)... |
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| drcrazy wrote: |
| Overture1928 wrote: |
| trueblue wrote: |
Yes, indeed.
I have two buddies from home, who have managed to find their way through the maze of obtaining the necessary documents. However, along they way, they have used recruiters but keep receiving contract offers that are simply, pathetic. They have one their research, very well I may add, and know what should be in an honest contract.
However, as soon as they turn down one dodgy offer from the recruiters, they are simply dropped from the list.
I suggested that perhaps, they fly out on their own and find their own job...cutting out the middlemen/women, who in all honesty, provide a huge disservice to this industry in Korea.
So, before I tell them "OK, go for it!", has anyone done this? Has anyone simply said "*&^% the recruiters, I'm doing this on my own".
It would seem one would be more marketable...
So...anyone? |
If they graduated from a top 200 university then they can apply for a D10 from their home country thus allowing them to start work faster and avoid having to do a visa run after they find a job in Korea. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/world-ranking |
I think it has to be if you have an MA or PhD from a top 200. Do they have an MA? |
No you are wrong, this is how I came to Korea. |
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