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jstyle88
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 Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:41 pm Post subject: Can 52 year old find good job in private school (hagwon) ?? |
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I am going to teach esl in korea soon. My mother who is 52, also is interested in teaching esl with me in Seoul. We are both korean American.
Will my mom be able to find job in private school like me, although she's
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She has all qualifications necessary to teach esl plus fluent in korean. I know she's under the age maximum to teach in private schools so I hope it won't be a problem. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Can 52 year old find good job in private school (hagwon) |
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| jstyle88 wrote: |
I am going to teach esl in korea soon. My mother who is 52, also is interested in teaching esl with me in Seoul. We are both korean American.
Will my mom be able to find job in private school like me, although she's
52??
She has all qualifications necessary to teach esl plus fluent in korean. I know she's under the age maximum to teach in private schools so I hope it won't be a problem. |
"good job" and "hagwon" are an oxymoron.
Can she find work = yes.
If you are of Korean ancestry then look at obtaining an F4 or reclaiming citizenship. It is a lot easier than going down the E2 route.
You say that she is "qualified" to teach ESL... for an E2 she needs the US passport AND a degree from a US university.
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Can 52 year old find good job in private school (hagwon) |
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| jstyle88 wrote: |
I am going to teach esl in korea soon. My mother who is 52, also is interested in teaching esl with me in Seoul. We are both korean American.
Will my mom be able to find job in private school like me, although she's
52??
She has all qualifications necessary to teach esl plus fluent in korean. I know she's under the age maximum to teach in private schools so I hope it won't be a problem. |
I don't mean to be rude, but your post (and the mistakes it contains) suggests you should not be teaching esl to anyone above kindergarten level. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Can 52 year old find good job in private school (hagwon) |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| jstyle88 wrote: |
I am going to teach esl in korea soon. My mother who is 52, also is interested in teaching esl with me in Seoul. We are both korean American.
Will my mom be able to find job in private school like me, although she's
52??
She has all qualifications necessary to teach esl plus fluent in korean. I know she's under the age maximum to teach in private schools so I hope it won't be a problem. |
I don't mean to be rude, but your post (and the mistakes it contains) suggests you should not be teaching esl to anyone above kindergarten level. |
In all universities in South Korea the Freshman students have been getting worse and worse every year. So, mom might be more than qualified for some university jobs. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Can 52 year old find good job in private school (hagwon) |
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| drcrazy wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| jstyle88 wrote: |
I am going to teach esl in korea soon. My mother who is 52, also is interested in teaching esl with me in Seoul. We are both korean American.
Will my mom be able to find job in private school like me, although she's
52??
She has all qualifications necessary to teach esl plus fluent in korean. I know she's under the age maximum to teach in private schools so I hope it won't be a problem. |
I don't mean to be rude, but your post (and the mistakes it contains) suggests you should not be teaching esl to anyone above kindergarten level. |
In all universities in South Korea the Freshman students have been getting worse and worse every year. So, mom might be more than qualified for some university jobs. |
We don't know mom's qualifications, but to suggest the decline in freshman English ability should result in an acceptance of lesser candidates is shameful. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it shameful?
With so many freshman that are so awful in English just send pretty much anybody up there to teach basic things.
If a person is teaching the alphabet, colors and numbers how fluent or good does one really have to be? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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I don't know specifically about freshmen but I'd say that Koreans in general (and young Koreans in particular) are getting better at English. I remember when it was often hard to have a conversation with KETs. Now I find that most uni students or people of that age can have at least a basic conversation in English. It's definitely not great, especially if you compare to other parts of the world, but compared to 10 or 20 years ago it's quite an improvement.
As for the OPs question, I would guess that his mom can probably find some work. It's probably going to be hard to start out because hogwons usually want to hire someone who will attract students (customers). A young person does that. A foreign face does that. Still, if she's fluent in English and has an American accent and graduated from university in the States then some place will likely hire her. From there, it's just a matter of her rapport with the kids or her ability to improve their test scores. If she's good at keeping and bringing in students then her reputation will grow and other schools in the area may be willing to hire her (hagwon owners discuss these things among themselves).
What are her qualifications and experience? |
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Kepler
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| Being bilingual and having an F visa are big advantages. |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I will hire mum & daughter if they need a job...I run a school. The schedule is 80 40 minute classes per week. Pay is 2.2 million won per month. Housing is not included. |
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edwardcatflap
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I will hire mum & daughter if they need a job...I run a school. The schedule is 80 40 minute classes per week. Pay is 2.2 million won per month. Housing is not included.
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Trying to cash in on the desperate? |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I will hire mum & daughter if they need a job...I run a school. The schedule is 80 40 minute classes per week. Pay is 2.2 million won per month. Housing is not included.
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Trying to cash in on the desperate? |
It's not such a bad deal compared to a lot of other schools that would only pay them 1.0 if they're lucky. English speaking Koreans are a dime a dozen. We even reward our teachers with monthly bonuses based on a retention percentage. If they are good teachers and students stay in their classes, they make an extra 120,000 won every month. |
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tob55
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I will hire mum & daughter if they need a job...I run a school. The schedule is 80 40 minute classes per week. Pay is 2.2 million won per month. Housing is not included. |
I hope you have a good overtime pay plan in place. 80 classes at 40 minutes is 53 hours of teaching a week. Not sure where you own your institute, but being the owner of one here in my area, the local Office of Education would never allow that to happen.
Yet, someone might be crazy enough to bit on something like that is the truly were or are desperate.  |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I hope you have a good overtime pay plan in place. 80 classes at 40 minutes is 53 hours of teaching a week. Not sure where you own your institute, but being the owner of one here in my area, the local Office of Education would never allow that to happen.
Yet, someone might be crazy enough to bit on something like that is the truly were or are desperate. |
I assume the deal is for two teachers so they'd teach 26 hours each. As they're coming from the US and the mother has 'all the qualifications necessary to teach ESL' they should be offered housing or housing allowance. Bilingual Koreans are not as far as I know' a dime a dozen' nor are those who have ESL qualifications. From what I've heard Korean teachers based here,
most of whom are not fluent in English, can expect to get at least 1.5 mil at a hagwan, without housing. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:37 am Post subject: |
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When the recession first hit, I noticed a lot of older people declining and lots of younger good looking North Americans arriving (2009 to 2011ish).
But, nowadays, even within rural EPIK, I'm seeing a partial return to the old days seeing less "handsome" people, folks from other countries, and even older people getting jobs again. Not sure if it's just my area or everywhere in Korea. Seoul prob is still different.
BTW; not knocking anyone, just noting the ideal teacher from the Korean point of view. But, the pendulum is slowly swinging back (though still nothing like before). |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Whoa, had to fire them both inside of two days. Talk about neurotic women, whew the both of them had serious issues. Sigh, I knew this was going to happen. |
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