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matthagwon



Joined: 28 Sep 2013
Location: Japan lite

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject: dealing with ADHD children Reply with quote

Okay so I've been working in korea for about a year and last month my hagwon got a few new students. Two of the new boys have ADHD and jump around and touch everything. They disrupt the class and don't care about punishments or missing fun days. How do you guys/gals deal with students like these?
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coryallan



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could just be very active. If they do have ADHD, there are some objects you can buy for them (can't remember the names off the top of my head) to keep their hands busy while they are listening. You could also give them extra tasks to do in the classroom that allow them to move around but not be distracting to others.
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neilio



Joined: 12 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

been tons of research on diet's affect on ADHD.

This is more FYI but eliminating gluten and getting them on a ketogenic diet will drastically help focus.
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Rutherford



Joined: 31 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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eliminating gluten and getting them on a ketogenic diet will drastically help focus.


Can you imagine a hogwan teacher telling a Korean mom her son has a mental disorder and shouldn't eat rice or bread?
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RangerMcGreggor



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neilio wrote:
been tons of research on diet's affect on ADHD.

This is more FYI but eliminating gluten and getting them on a ketogenic diet will drastically help focus.


This isn't really true. What seems more likely is ADHD people have a higher rate of glutten sensitivity but that isn't certain. "Gluten free diet" is being kinda used as a magic bullet for everything, with people not realizing allergies to gluten is a real thing that leads to behavior problems
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rambler



Joined: 18 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neilio wrote:
This is more FYI but eliminating gluten and getting them on a ketogenic diet will drastically help focus.


lol. Thanks for the practical tip.
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bibichoo



Joined: 19 Mar 2014

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 3rd grade teacher (this is in suburban America), an old-school no-nonsense type, who had the best system EVER for controlling our class - she gave out certificates. She had a variety of those cute, colorful "good job!" type certificates, and stickers. Some certificates were for good behavior, some for attendance, some for doing an excellent job on a test, doing all the homework, etc.. There was basically a certificate for every little thing we kids did right.

I remember collecting a thick pile of these certificates, and it was sooooo satisfying. Little kids don't understand abstract instructions. But they understand a paper they can hold in their hand, with a rainbow and a sticker that smells like root beer. I remember that, some certificates had the teacher's signature on it, and that made it especially "holy moly" and official.

ADHD kids need frequent and immediate reward systems. They can't think ahead, like other kids. They have poor impulse control. You may have to implement a system where they get more frequent "good behavior" feedback. Not sure how you would implement it, but very important: frequent and immediate feedback. In my 3rd grade class, some kids received more "good behavior" certificates. These were the problem ADHD kids. While I may get a "good behavior" certificate every few days, these kids were getting maybe 2-3/day. Sometimes even more. For being good for any short period of time. Of course, I didn't mind, because I was getting certificates they weren't getting, plus little kids understand some kids need "extra love."

Not sure if this would even work in your situation. But it might be something to try?
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Realistically it's almost certainly SUGAR and grains leading to all these mental disorders, it's boring that anyone would argue it at this point.

Ban sugar from your classroom, seems like all that can be done unless you wanna give the mom's a nutrition lecture.
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izzyonplanetk



Joined: 16 Apr 2014

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bibichoo wrote:
ADHD kids need frequent and immediate reward systems. They can't think ahead, like other kids. They have poor impulse control. You may have to implement a system where they get more frequent "good behavior" feedback. Not sure how you would implement it, but very important: frequent and immediate feedback. In my 3rd grade class, some kids received more "good behavior" certificates. These were the problem ADHD kids. While I may get a "good behavior" certificate every few days, these kids were getting maybe 2-3/day. Sometimes even more. For being good for any short period of time. Of course, I didn't mind, because I was getting certificates they weren't getting, plus little kids understand some kids need "extra love."


bibichoo, i see so much terrible bullshit advice on this forum, people who don't understand kids or korea or anything about the world... and this comment just gave me so much hope for the world and its teachers and kids. this is great advice!!!
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

izzyonplanetk wrote:
bibichoo wrote:
ADHD kids need frequent and immediate reward systems. They can't think ahead, like other kids. They have poor impulse control. You may have to implement a system where they get more frequent "good behavior" feedback. Not sure how you would implement it, but very important: frequent and immediate feedback. In my 3rd grade class, some kids received more "good behavior" certificates. These were the problem ADHD kids. While I may get a "good behavior" certificate every few days, these kids were getting maybe 2-3/day. Sometimes even more. For being good for any short period of time. Of course, I didn't mind, because I was getting certificates they weren't getting, plus little kids understand some kids need "extra love."


bibichoo, i see so much terrible bullshit advice on this forum, people who don't understand kids or korea or anything about the world... and this comment just gave me so much hope for the world and its teachers and kids. this is great advice!!!


I thought it was semi-poor advice; basically trying to work around a physical problem, with psychology. Although I guess that's all a teacher can do.
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bmaw01



Joined: 13 May 2013

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rutherford wrote:
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eliminating gluten and getting them on a ketogenic diet will drastically help focus.


Can you imagine a hogwan teacher telling a Korean mom her son has a mental disorder and shouldn't eat rice or bread?


Nope! It would never happen in public schools as well. Special needs is still a taboo subject. You just don't talk about it.

Maybe that will change in another 100 years.
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bmaw01



Joined: 13 May 2013

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In regards to ADHD medication works wonders. I'm a special needs teacher and I've worked with children who have a wide range of disabilities. With ADHD I knew when a child didn't take his meds. He was a wreck. When he was on his meds he was able to focus and concentrate.

They don't give meds in Korea. The only alternative is to come up with a behavioral plan and stick to it.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bmaw01 wrote:
In regards to ADHD medication works wonders.


Yeah, "let's do drugs" is the answer!!!
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bmaw01 wrote:
They don't give meds in Korea.

Oh yes they do. But not at the 5-10% range they do back home. I know of 3 in my school of 1200 that take meds for ADHD. It works for 2 of them, don't think it works for that 3rd kid. However I know of another 2 that should be on meds, my god those two are a nightmare.
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