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FedEXMeister



Joined: 06 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:30 am    Post subject: To Return or to Not Return? Reply with quote

Hey,

I'm looking for some advice here preferably from those who have a few years under their belt.

I've been back in the UK for approximately 18 months now. My current job sucks the proverbial arse (I am applying elsewhere). But I'm getting restless and thinking about Korea again (or Japan). For all the stick English teaching gets, it's certainly more interesting (and better paid) than working in a call centre for a bank.
So, I either keep plugging away here in the hope that I'll find myself in a better paid, and more enjoyable position, or I return to teaching and look at getting qualified etc. However, I'm 30 next year, so time is of the essence!

Thanks
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jazzmaster



Joined: 30 Sep 2013

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to think about your long term plans. Do you enjoy teaching English enough to keep doing it for, potentially, the rest of your life? If you get married to an Asian girl you'll find it very difficult to take her back to the UK due to Torie policies. Potential employers in the UK don't mind people in their early 20s living abroad but they may see older people doing the same as potential flight risks. Are you prepared to take that hit?

I've thought long and hard about these things and I don't have any answers. I guess it's a case of weighing the risks and making a decision.

It might also be an idea to consider China. I have a friend who lived in Korea for many years, then made the move to China and couldn't be happier. There's a lot of money to be made in China.

Best of luck.
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was about my line of thought. Go for it. I'd been away from teaching overseas for two years before getting back in. I was 32. So you have time. It could be a little different than when you were in your 20s but still more interesting than what was available back home. Plus, you can save money to help pay for whatever transition you want to make if you don't want to stay for two long.
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FedEXMeister



Joined: 06 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzmaster wrote:
You need to think about your long term plans. Do you enjoy teaching English enough to keep doing it for, potentially, the rest of your life?


Tough question. I only know that teaching is better than what I'm doing at present. Long term? It's hard to say. There are potential opportunities within publishing that are attractive, however that would be a long shot.

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It might also be an idea to consider China. I have a friend who lived in Korea for many years, then made the move to China and couldn't be happier. There's a lot of money to be made in China.


I'd certainly consider other places. Japan is more at the forefront of my mind, but if there's decent money to be had in China, then I'd consider that too.

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Best of luck.


Thanks. Cool
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If life sucks back home and you're in a crappy job...come back....it's only a year. Just start the whole networking for a job back home when you've got about 3 months left on your contract.

That's if you want to come back obviously.
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ChrisPK



Joined: 07 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie21 wrote:
If life sucks back home and you're in a crappy job...come back....it's only a year. Just start the whole networking for a job back home when you've got about 3 months left on your contract.

That's if you want to come back obviously.


Start the networking for a telemarketing job? LOL. It doesn't need any networking as it's just a deadend job just like any ESL teaching job in Korea.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisPK wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
If life sucks back home and you're in a crappy job...come back....it's only a year. Just start the whole networking for a job back home when you've got about 3 months left on your contract.

That's if you want to come back obviously.


Start the networking for a telemarketing job? LOL. It doesn't need any networking as it's just a deadend job just like any ESL teaching job in Korea.


Where did I say network for a telemarketing job? He's leaving the UK to get away from a telemarketing job...doubtful he'd want to do it once he returns. Plus he said he enjoyed teaching ESL....he hates his current job. There is the difference.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From what I heard and watched on telly, the UK is f--ked.


Don't know what channels you've been watching but recent reports seem to contradict you.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10597418/UK-confirmed-as-fastest-growing-economy-in-Western-Europe.html

You might have a point about the Eastern Europeans, however, who according to studies, are driving down wages for the traditional working classes. I don't know whether they've been undercutting people in call centres though.
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ChrisPK



Joined: 07 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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From what I heard and watched on telly, the UK is f--ked.


Don't know what channels you've been watching but recent reports seem to contradict you.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10597418/UK-confirmed-as-fastest-growing-economy-in-Western-Europe.html

You might have a point about the Eastern Europeans, however, who according to studies, are driving down wages for the traditional working classes. I don't know whether they've been undercutting people in call centres though.


Working class Brits don't feel this booming economy at all. The British economy is all about the Square Mile, so only bankers are doing well in the UK.
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FedEXMeister



Joined: 06 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisPK wrote:
Start the networking for a telemarketing job? LOL. It doesn't need any networking as it's just a deadend job just like any ESL teaching job in Korea.


Is ESL a dead end job though?

With qualififcations and a bit of imagination aren't there ways out? Or is it only for the fortunate few?
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FedEXMeister wrote:
ChrisPK wrote:
Start the networking for a telemarketing job? LOL. It doesn't need any networking as it's just a deadend job just like any ESL teaching job in Korea.


Is ESL a dead end job though?

With qualififcations and a bit of imagination aren't there ways out? Or is it only for the fortunate few?


It depends on what your goals are. If leisure time is your thing, good university jobs give a lot of vacation. If money is your thing, you can do private lessons or open your own study room (공부방). You'll need an F visa to do those latter two legally, but it is a way out of a normal entry-level hagwon job.

If you consider any teaching job to be 'dead end' regardless of the time off or money, then you could save up and open your own business. There are lots of expats that do that, mostly bars and restaurants.
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Working class Brits don't feel this booming economy at all. The British economy is all about the Square Mile, so only bankers are doing well in the UK.


Is there a single place on earth where the wealthy elite and big business are not doing a roaring trade at the expense of the rest of society?

@OP

In anycase I used to work in a call centre in London and it was one of the worse jobs I have ever had to endure.

The good news is that you can use that office experience and find an entry level admin job. After a year you should be able to find a better office type job with a real wage and at least the prospect of going a little bit further if you are proactive about seizing training opportunities.

However, if the lure of life overseas appeals then a nice easy PS job for a few years could give you the opportunity to do what you really want in life.
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FedEXMeister



Joined: 06 Aug 2014

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aq8knyus wrote:
The good news is that you can use that office experience and find an entry level admin job. After a year you should be able to find a better office type job with a real wage and at least the prospect of going a little bit further if you are proactive about seizing training opportunities.

However, if the lure of life overseas appeals then a nice easy PS job for a few years could give you the opportunity to do what you really want in life.


Admin or TESL?
Whatever happened to my life!? Laughing
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Old Painless



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do what makes you happy. Anything else is cheating yourself.

Most people I've met over the years say the same thing. They go back home and they flounder for a year or two before finding something they can do that makes them happy. Working in a call center is dehumanizing. I would give it some time, and keep looking for openings, search for a career that you'd enjoy doing. Easier said than done, but anything is possible.

I know a guy that taught in Korea for three years, went back home and got into remodeling and flipping homes. He did well for himself and made enough money to go back to school for something he'd always wanted to do.

The key here is that no one, NO ONE (unless they have a very highly skilled degree in demand) goes back home and finds their dream job right away. And that's what discourages most English teachers. They go home, run out of money, get bored, remember the good times in Korea, and just give up and go back to Korea.

Just find what you really like to do that can make you a living. You don't want to be rich, trust me money does not equal happiness.
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Admin or TESL?
Whatever happened to my life!? Laughing


You could always join the navy and work on a nuclear sub or join the police and pepper spray drunken chavs.

Failing that there is always the 10-game accumulator.

The world is your oyster!
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