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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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 Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: Website Rant |
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| I hate Korean websites. They can *beep* off with their activX and all the extras I need to have just to get the things to open properly. I don't understand how they can have the highest internet speeds in the world yet still have such shitty websites. They are so bad it actually makes my life more difficult. *beep* those sites. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Supposedly they pay the programmers peanuts and lousy websites are one of the results.
Now if they bumped them up to macadamia nuts... |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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It's actually the law that requires they use ActiveX plugins - but I've heard rumours it will be phased out soon. Here's hoping.
A number of websites have started to improve their templates though, such as KoreanAir.
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| I don't understand how they can have the highest internet speeds in the world yet still have such shitty websites. |
The internet speed thing really is false advertising. Most of the high speeds are to local servers only. Nearly all of the overseas connections (via the undersea cables) are terribly slow and lossy (+they are often throttled to reduce foreign traffic). |
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Deja
Joined: 18 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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(In short, the law does not require ActiveX, but it requires 128-bit encryption. And doing so for Chrome/Firefox is not worth the time of any Korean company, because it will not increase their sales base even 1%. They are working on supporting iOS/Android however)
In detail:
The law does not require ActiveX, but rather, much earlier than any other country it required 128-bit encryption (during the era of Netscape).
At that time, only Netscape and IE were used. No other browsers really had any penetration into the market, so the sites had to develop Netscape and IE support only (f*** the rest, who make 0.0001%  ).
Since Netscape died, IE has become the only really widely used browser in South Korea, and has the highest market share in SK, of all countries almost.
More importantly, it has a very, very big market share when it comes to online purchases, which is where the encryption is needed.
So ActiveX controls are not a hassle for virtually all Koreans - they need it for their banks anyway, another site requiring them is not a hassle.
That is why you are probably seeing Android and some iOS support for websites now, and yet no support for non-IE desktop browsers.
A few years ago, I could not access Woori's e-Banking without Windows/IE. Now I can use my Android phone. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| In short, the law does not require ActiveX, but it requires 128-bit encryption. |
This is true, but government ID certificates still widely use ActiveX plugins, something that Microsoft have advised against. It's supported only as a legacy option now.
The law changed in 2010 (via Korea Communications Commission) to allow types of encrpytion that don't require ActiveX, but it must be approved first.
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| So ActiveX controls are not a hassle for virtually all Koreans |
Are you sure? http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2986814&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1
Overall things have improved in the decade I've been here, but it's still a pain in the ass to use legacy websites - University portals, I-Pin, etc. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Things have definitely gotten better in the last couple of years. I can actually buy stuff online in Chrome and Firefox these days. Government websites and online banking are still a clusterfuck of bad web programming though.
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| Supposedly they pay the programmers peanuts and lousy websites are one of the results. |
I know a couple of web designers in Korea, and they both make significantly more than your average ESLer. They don't always have work though. I get the impression they come in for a couple of months, do the heavy lifting, inform some on-staff tech guy how to maintain then beat it to the next contract. It's probably in their best interest to make the websites an unruly mess so when something goes terribly wrong, they have a job again. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Mobile Banking is a blessing as is the use of Smartphones when using Korean websites.
Yesterday, I wanted to check on the parcel that I EMS'ed from Korea. Tried to check the Korean Post Office website through Chrome on my computer and got hit with a key logger install request followed by this doesn't download to Chrome and only works with IE. Screw that! Used chrome on my iPhone and BAM! checked my parcel's status within a minute.
Still, a lot of other Korean websites don't display well on Chrome or Safari. |
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