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Big_Bird
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ultra
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| Brian Keenan: Leader of IRA freedom campaigns regarded as the 'greatest promoter of emancipation in Ireland' |
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Chicoloco
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A complex fellow.
I heard an interview recently with the former top British civil servant in Northern Ireland during the troubles.
He recalled how when he visited the Maize, he would see the IRA prisoners learning Gaeilge or reading Marx.
When he visitied the loyalist wings he would see them body building or reading Playboy.
I wonder if any loyalist gunmen will get an obituary in the British press, Michael Stone maybe! |
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Big_Bird
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| Brian Keenan: Leader of IRA freedom campaigns regarded as the 'greatest promoter of emancipation in Ireland' |
Aren't you a clever little lad? I bet your mummy would give you a smile and a big hug for such clever wordplay as that. Well done laddie. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Chicoloco wrote: |
A complex fellow.
I heard an interview recently with the former top British civil servant in Northern Ireland during the troubles.
He recalled how when he visited the Maize, he would see the IRA prisoners learning Gaeilge or reading Marx.
When he visitied the loyalist wings he would see them body building or reading Playboy.
I wonder if any loyalist gunmen will get an obituary in the British press, Michael Stone maybe! |
That's interesting. I'm wondering (aloud) if that might be because the brightest and best on the loyalist side would be in proper positions (say in office or in the RUC), and the thugs would do all the illicit action. Whethers with the IRA, you'd have both types mixing in the ranks, as the leadership and strategists etc would all be on the wrong side of the law. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| No, the IRA are Catholic, both Playboy and bodybuilding are mortal sins. |
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blade
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: |
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That's interesting. I'm wondering (aloud) if that might be because the brightest and best on the loyalist side would be in proper positions (say in office or in the RUC),
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That's not saying much about the Loyalists if you think their brightest and best of the Loyalists were in the RUC 
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and the thugs would do all the illicit action. Whethers with the IRA, you'd have both types mixing in the ranks, as the leadership and strategists etc would all be on the wrong side of the law. |
Yes, because many of the people in the IRA often experienced discrimination and they did not have the same options open to them living in the North of Ireland compared with Ulster Protestants. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
That's interesting. I'm wondering (aloud) if that might be because the brightest and best on the loyalist side would be in proper positions (say in office or in the RUC),
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That's not saying much about the Loyalists if you think their brightest and best of the Loyalists were in the RUC
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True, and if your best and your brightest is anything like Ian Paisley, well...
Here's another (more interesting) orbitary from The Guardian:
Leading IRA strategist whose conversion from violence aided the peace process
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Julius
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| IRA prisoners learning Gaeilge or reading Marx. |
But of course marxism has always been more suited to enslaving nations than freeing them. They would have been better off reading economics of free trade 101.
Ireland's emancipation has been economic.
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bookemdanno
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| Meanwhile most of the British terrorists--er politicians--against the Irish state for the past 400 years have long since been put to rest, eh? |
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ultra
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another orbitary from The Guardian:
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His remains went into orbit as did the remains of Timothy Leary?
Far out. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Chicoloco wrote: |
| IRA prisoners learning Gaeilge or reading Marx. |
But of course marxism has always been more suited to enslaving nations than freeing them. They would have been better off reading economics of free trade 101.
Ireland's emancipation has been economic. |
Sorry to be the guy to always argue with you, but...
How has Irish emancipation been economic? The Free State(the republic of Ireland) was founded in 1921. Technically emancipation in Northern Ireland has as yet not arrived. That was what Keenan was fighting for. |
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it's full of stars
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Economic success for the Irish has come with the ability to self govern. I believe that inclusion in the EU and investment from there and the USA hasn't hurt either.
Funny thing when talking to people about Ireland, they often think that everything that happened before 1968 or so, doesn't count. That the history of Ireland is all leprechauns and fuckin' shamrocks. I remember sitting in a pub in England talking to a friend of the girlfriend, who said "So when did England invade Ireland?" in this incredulous tone, as if, perish the thought that the English would invade someone. Well dear, I think the date you were looking for would be from the 1100s until 1921. With the English still ruling Northern Ireland.
As for English people that get annoyed at the Irish, "whining about autonomy, why don't you all just get along, stupid paddies?" What would you have done if the Germans hadn't stopped at the French coast? Would there have been an English resistance?
Anyway, this is a great website for Irish, particularly Northern Irish, context.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/othelem/landon.htm |
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spliff
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| Why is it that Ireland could not beat off the Poms? Sure thankful I'm not from any country that couldn't rout GB in a week. |
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it's full of stars
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And you said that in English on an English teachers board, while employed as an English teacher.  |
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