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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: Have a nice day |
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The monthly income of a Zayitun unit ...
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Compare Foreigner's Salary and a Private or Soldier |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| ...the standard wage of a soldier dispatched overseas is US$1,340, which is about W1,546,360, and the soldiers in the medical and engineering corps already in Iraq receive US$1,675, which is about W1,932,950. |
Military doctors and engineers make less than I do?
Their living and working conditions couldn't be any worse than the hagwon life.
And the food! |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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The difference, of course, being that I'm rarely expected to operate in a combat zone in my hogwan.  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Have fun. 
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
oneiros wrote,
"The difference, of course, being that I'm rarely expected to operate in a combat zone in my hogwan."
The DMZ is where? Which country?
Quotation to consider:
"the living conditions for foreigners residing in Korea are extremely terrible"
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448 |
Everyone here who teaches at a hogwan operating in the DMZ, please raise your hands now.
Yes, I understand your point, but really, this is not a combat zone. Trust me. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| So RR, when are you leaving Korea? I've been on this board for less than a month and I'm sure I've seen at least three different threads like this started by you. |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I never really thought of comparing my salary to a soldier's...
I still want higher pay, though. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Korea is dynamic.
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| oneiros wrote: |
| The difference, of course, being that I'm rarely expected to operate in a combat zone in my hogwan. |
You ever had a kid get a 20 foot running start on a ddong chim?
That's a combat zone...
(Disclaimer: It's a joke, I obviously know that nothing in the world, be it sports or hagwons can ever compare to true combat) |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| ryleeys wrote: |
| oneiros wrote: |
| The difference, of course, being that I'm rarely expected to operate in a combat zone in my hogwan. |
You ever had a kid get a 20 foot running start on a ddong chim?
That's a combat zone...
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I stand corrected. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
prosodic,
How long have you lived and worked in Korea? |
My first sojourn was from 1996-1998. I went back to Korea in 2000 for a while and again in 2002. I'm thinking about returning again.
So if you were trying to imply that I'm too much of a newbie, you're wrong. I know that Korea has its problems. But there's one easy solution to all your misery: leave. If you're not going to leave, then please do something more productive than posting logically fallacious analogies between what hagwon teachers make and what people earn in completely different professions.
Want an idea for something more productive? Start a union. Get a large enough critical mass of people in Seoul signed up first, but that's the only way you're going to get anything changed. Start at the big schools. Try to get 80% of foreigners at YBM, Pagoda, MinByungCheol, and SLP signed up before even telling the general public about the union. Do it quietly enough, and you just may be able to get enough people organized to go on strike so that the hagwon owners have to cave in to some demands. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Korea is wonderful.
Where the Diplomats Eat: Itaewon's Best Restaurants
Some of Itaewon's greatest attractions are the great restaurants frequented by foreign diplomats in Korea. Diplomats who like pizza enjoy going to La Tavola. Foreigners and Koreans alike love the place for its light, thin and crunchy Italian-style pizzas that are blissfully free of oil.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200407/200407050034.html
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
By the way, notice the subject is
Compare Foreigner's Salary and a Private or Soldier.
Not all foreigners in Korea are teachers. |
True. There are the DDD workers, who make a lot less than hagwon teachers. There are civilian contractors working for the military, who often make a lot more than hagwon teachers and get medical benefits through the U.S. government. There are engineers who are paid extremely well. So, do you really expect people to go through all the possible comparisons? When compared to some foreigners in Korea, the soldier is making more money but for more dangerous work. In other cases, the soldier is making a lot less money for more dangerous work. Still, the only logically valid comparison would be between the soldier and a Korean soldier. Otherwise, you're comparing apples and oranges. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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prosodic wrote,
"When compared to some foreigners in Korea, the soldier is making more money but for more dangerous work."
Are some foreigners in Korea making less money than soldiers and working in more dangerous situations when compared to most soldiers?
Apples and oranges are fruit. I am comparing fruit. I am not comparing mold and fruit.
Korea is dynamic. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
prosodic wrote,
"When compared to some foreigners in Korea, the soldier is making more money but for more dangerous work."
Are some foreigners in Korea making less money than soldiers and working in more dangerous situations when compared to most soldiers? |
It says "compared to some foreigners" because of the salary issue, but I'm willing to bet you knew that. You're just being a wisea@@.
But there are some foreigners in Korea who do work that is nearly as dangerous as a soldier's. You know what the three Ds stand for, right? Dirty, Dangerous, and Degrading. 80% of foreigners in Korea work DDD jobs. If you want to go and help them organize a union, I support you fully. |
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