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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: SKKU / Sungkyunkwan info please Reply with quote

I JUST received a phone call from them after going through the three phone interviews, a lot of failed attempts at MSN interviews, one demo lesson at my kitchen table with no students and not hearing from them in over a month.

They offered me the job at Suwon campus. yea! I'm dancing for joy (Hope the fact that my MA degree is somewhere in redtape heaven in Spain won't disqualify me)

I have already signed a good faith agreement with a unigwon, BUT haven't signed a contract, because I have yet to receive the contract and it's been a couple of weeks since the good faith thingy. So does that mean I could accept another job?

Anyone have any idea about the pay, conditions, housing, vacation, etc at SKKU?

Thanks so much
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Chaucer



Joined: 20 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Not sure this year Reply with quote

Not sure this year but last they offered me 2.5, 300,000 for housing, 16 hours a week, at their Hyehwa campus. Not a great deal, not terrible.
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hajima 99



Joined: 13 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great news Naturegirl! Only heard good things about that position. Good work environment, and really strong reputation (top 5) so your students should be very bright (side note: they're Samsung's official affiliate university in Korea, so they recieve a ton of funding from them. If it's good enough for Samsung... Very Happy )

This year, I heard the base salary is 2.835/month for 15 hours BUT they provide an additional "special allowance" equal to one-month's pay at the completion of your year (Most universities don't provide this. "Severance pay" as you may know is typically provided in hagwon and PS contracts).

So do the math, and that essentially translates to over 3.0 million + lots of opportunities for on-campus overtime I've heard.

Housing not included, but I believe that Suwon has their own rooms nearby, so you wouldn't have to worry about key money at least. Someone else would have to confirm that though.

Vacation- think you get full vacation (ie. approx 4 to 5 months a year), with the option, but maybe a "hope" that you will at least elect to work one of the 5 week camps in either the summer or winter break. Hope that helps.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hajima 99 wrote:
(side note: they're Samsung's official affiliate university in Korea, so they recieve a ton of funding from them. If it's good enough for Samsung... Very Happy )

This year, I heard the base salary is 2.835/month for 15 hours BUT they provide an additional "special allowance" equal to one-month's pay at the completion of your year (Most universities don't provide this. "Severance pay" as you may know is typically provided in hagwon and PS contracts).

Housing not included, but I believe that Suwon has their own rooms nearby, so you wouldn't have to worry about key money at least. Someone else would have to confirm that though.

Vacation- think you get full vacation (ie. approx 4 to 5 months a year), with the option, but maybe a "hope" that you will at least elect to work one of the 5 week camps in either the summer or winter break. Hope that helps.


Maybe I'll get a free phone Smile Yep, I can confirm the salary, not sure of the OT rate, it's not in the contract. And the housing, any idea how much rooms are? Guess my husband and I will just have to get along if we're living in a dorm.

And about the vacation, it's not in the contract either Sad but I'll take your word for it, Either way, I'd be happy to work extra hours during vacation.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hajima 99 wrote:
That's great news Naturegirl! Only heard good things about that position. Good work environment, and really strong reputation (top 5) so your students should be very bright (side note: they're Samsung's official affiliate university in Korea, so they recieve a ton of funding from them. If it's good enough for Samsung... Very Happy )

This year, I heard the base salary is 2.835/month for 15 hours BUT they provide an additional "special allowance" equal to one-month's pay at the completion of your year (Most universities don't provide this. "Severance pay" as you may know is typically provided in hagwon and PS contracts).

So do the math, and that essentially translates to over 3.0 million + lots of opportunities for on-campus overtime I've heard.

Housing not included, but I believe that Suwon has their own rooms nearby, so you wouldn't have to worry about key money at least. Someone else would have to confirm that though.

Vacation- think you get full vacation (ie. approx 4 to 5 months a year), with the option, but maybe a "hope" that you will at least elect to work one of the 5 week camps in either the summer or winter break. Hope that helps.


Is this a departmental policy or a campus wide policy?
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Profesora



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naturegirl...are they offering airfare too? Housing allowance? Sounds like a great position if all that is included too. Smile
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Konglishman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Profesora wrote:
Naturegirl...are they offering airfare too? Housing allowance? Sounds like a great position if all that is included too. Smile


I have yet to hear of a Korean university offering to pay for airfare.
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hajima 99



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Profesora wrote:
Naturegirl...are they offering airfare too? Housing allowance? Sounds like a great position if all that is included too. Smile


Universities have absolutely no need to offer an incentive such as airfare to entice qualified applicants when, the top unis especially such as SKKU, I would hazard to guess probably receive anywhere up to a couple hundred applications to fill just a small handful of openings.

I know for a fact that one, much smaller university offering lesser terms than the above, received about 80 applications this year.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the original job ad stated the overtime rates as follows:

-15,000 or 18,000 won per hour for credit classes
-28,000 won per hour for non-credit classes at the institutes

*Note, the overtime is mandatory apparently, and non-credit classes are at something like 8am and 6pm. (If I recall)


I can also provide some information that I learned from talking to the hiring professor a number of times:

When I was talking to the professor in charge of hiring about the job, she said my salary would be around 3.1 million for the 15 hours. So I asked them about the idea of a MINIMUM of 15 hours and how OT worked... and upon really prying for info, they told me that, on average, most teachers work a total of 24 hours a week.

I figured that in the end the salary was worth about 4.0 million per month if I was doing the non-credit type of OT. Of course, that's only for the 7 months that I would have been teaching...can't count it on vacation.

The above information was for me working at the Seoul campus because that fit my major. I'm not sure if the Suwon campus workers are logging the same number of hours or not.

Vacation was going to be 5 months (20 or 22 weeks) and I was told there was something about having to work a camp at some point. If I recall properly, it was mandatory.

Also, they told me what I would be teaching...first semester would be writing classes, and second semester would be presentation classes.

The good thing about the Suwon campus is that the housing will be cheaper than in Seoul.

I think the job is better for you in the long-run than the other job you turn down.
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hajima 99



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
I believe the original job ad stated the overtime rates as follows:

-15,000 or 18,000 won per hour for credit classes
-28,000 won per hour for non-credit classes at the institutes


*Note, the overtime is mandatory apparently, and non-credit classes are at something like 8am and 6pm. (If I recall)


Sorry, but I can confirm that these figures are way off. They weren't posted in the original job ad (nor was the salary), so you may be confusing it with another if you are referring to the SKKU ad that appeared on Dave's.

OT is dependent on what exactly it entails, since they have different rates if I recall. I heard that the lowest is 33,000W-40,000W and am almost certain that Credit-course OT pays 56,000W/hr. Obviously, you can make a lot of extra money at those rates.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hajima,

If those numbers aren't accurate, that's one thing. However, I'm not confused about the job. If those numbers weren't in the job ad, then I can 100% guarantee that is what I was told.

I spoke to them several times... I turned down the interview.

Also, I never said that the salary of 3.1 was posted... I said that was the salary they told me I would be offered.


Can you verify my comments about the average teacher working 24 hours with their OT each week?

I assume you don't work there, so they might have changed the OT payments. However, I confirmed everything I was told, and those numbers were the main reason I declined the interview. I've searched for the job ads online, but unfortunately they've all been taken down.
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hajima 99



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
If those numbers aren't accurate, that's one thing. However, I'm not confused about the job. If those numbers weren't in the job ad, then I can 100% guarantee that is what I was told.

I spoke to them several times... I turned down the interview.

Also, I never said that the salary was posted... I said that was the salary they told me I would most likely be offered.


Then it's possible you heard wrong or the rates were just not finalized at the time of your conversations (however that would be a pretty generous increase). I heard myself from an equally reliable source that my figures are accurate, as I'm sure Naturegirl will happily confirm very shortly.

Yes, I remember you deciding not to attend the interview due to the short notice and poor timing, being it was on a Saturday.

Didn't mean to accuse you of stating the salary was included in the ad. I was merely implying that a university is unlikely to provide their overtime rates in an ad, if they have also elected not to include the base salary. I suppose it's possible, but I just haven't seen it.
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hajima 99



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
Hajima,

I assume you don't work there, so they might have changed the OT payments. However, I confirmed everything I was told, and those numbers were the main reason I declined the interview. I've searched for the job ads online, but unfortunately they've all been taken down.


I hope for your sake that I'm wrong then. See what Naturegirl has to say...
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KoreanAmbition



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hajima,

For Naturegirl's sake, I also hope I'm wrong. At the same time, I'm going to be disappointed if that's the case. And I'll be more disappointed that the information was given wrong when an applicant was calling about job information.


Also, I've actually seen a number of ads include the overtime rate.
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hajima 99



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KoreanAmbition wrote:
Hajima,

For Naturegirl's sake, I also hope I'm wrong. At the same time, I'm going to be disappointed if that's the case. And I'll be more disappointed that the information was given wrong when an applicant was calling about job information.


Also, I've actually seen a number of ads include the overtime rate.


Yeah, I don't blame you. Especially for university positions here, overtime rates are a critical aspect of any offer. Those rates could potentially make a difference of hundreds of thousands of won, or even over a million per month in what you actually take home. This is why, in an earlier discussion I believe I had with you, I would welcome with open arms every second of those (on average) 24 hours a week of work at SKKU, at the very reasonable rates (which I'm inclined to believe are accurate). Nine hours of OT a week for seven months would be fantastic!

Yeah, I know overtime rates are sometimes included in ads, but what I was trying to say, perhaps a little awkwardly, was as you well know SKKU did not publish their salary in that ad (you learned those details from a phone call) and thus it was more unlikely that they would have posted any figures whatsoever pertaining to the job (ie. OT rates). In an earlier post, it sounded as though you thought you had read those OT details in the ad. Thus, leading me to believe that you had confused the SKKU one with another ad (I actually have the ad saved as a 'word' file, and can confirm those figures were not provided. Must have been given over the phone). Ads that post salary, often include overtime details- yes, I know that is true. Anyways, not important Wink
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